Buying Advice 30 acres and plans to build a new house - Equipment to get?

   / 30 acres and plans to build a new house - Equipment to get? #31  
TLBs sink really deep on soft ground. I would never drive one anywhere near where an Ag tractor got stuck.
Hope that a long chain was used.
I use my backhoe to pull my tractors and lawn mower out of the mud all the time. It's almost become a joke how often I get my zero turn stuck when mowing next to my pond. The walk of shame to get the backhoe is the worse part, but once I'm on my backhoe, it's pretty easy to pull anything I have out of the mud.

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   / 30 acres and plans to build a new house - Equipment to get?
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Here is my limited experience opinion. About 18 years ago I needed to put in my own septic system if I wanted to occupy my newly built house in less than 6 months. Even though I had never even sat on a backhoe I bought a 1970s Case 580CK backhoe. My only tractor experience previous was a Ford 9N my neighbor and I bought together a couple years before. So I learned how to operate a backhoe. Then I put in the septic system and the county was very happy with it and several employees were brought out to my place so they could learn what a proper Infiltrator type septic system should look like. I also put in several ditches for water, power, and phone. I dug about 800 feet of ditches for the water, power, and phone. Then I dug out a bunch of stumps. A bunch. Then put in an extra 250 feet of driveway through the woods. Then repaired another 200 feet of road. And removed more stumps. I moved many yards of dirt and rocks. At least 8 yards of rocks and probably 30 yards of dirt. The Case 580 CK is meant to be a Tractor, Loader, Backhoe, A TLB. I could remove the backhoe but it would be a chore. Anyway, to me the Case is a beast. It is heavy and still the hoe will throw it around. I have lots of rocks and am super glad I have the thing to get the rocks out of the ditches I am digging. I also have a Yanmar YM2310 that I bought a few years ago. I keep thinking about buying a backhoe for it but I know it will only be good for digging narrow ditches of limited depth, and the rocks on my land would be a big chore for a small backhoe. It is a great machine, has a loader, and there is no way I will be getting rid of it. If I was in your position I would buy a used TLB that was plenty big enough to do the jobs you need it to do. Really plenty big enough. At the same time I WOULD NOT remove the loader from your existing tractor, it is too useful. At least the one on my small Yanmar is. Instead I would add a bunch of weight behind the rear wheels, like a ballast box, or something similar, to make the front end lighter when using the FEL. Not only does it make steering easier it also takes some load off of the front end which is good for the tractor. On my small Yanmar I can have more than 1500 pounds of weight hanging from the 3 point. I do and it makes a big difference. My Case is big enough that it is hard to maneuver in tight spaces, I always need to be aware of the hoe behind me. And it is pretty long. That's why having the Yanmar YM2310 is great. It is much smaller and the bucket most of the time is plenty big enough for what I need to move. So really, having both machines is great, the Case is big enough to easily handle the big jobs and the smaller Yanmar gets used most of the time for the rest of the stuff. You can always sell the bigger backhoe and just keep your present tractor, but I bet you won't.
Eric
So this all came to be rather quickly. Monday went to look at and yesterday dug my first stump out with the new to me 1975 Case 580B I just paid $6,700 for with delivery. You are darn right that backhoe throws the tractor around. Was fun but Ive got a lot to learn. Now Mi just needs to warm up a bit.
 

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   / 30 acres and plans to build a new house - Equipment to get? #33  
I use my backhoe to pull my tractors and lawn mower out of the mud all the time. It's almost become a joke how often I get my zero turn stuck when mowing next to my pond. The walk of shame to get the backhoe is the worse part, but once I'm on my backhoe, it's pretty easy to pull anything I have out of the mud.

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My little 8,000 lb. L39 TLB has small R4 tires that break thru the grass roots on soft wet soil and it just sinks. As it is a TLB, it can pick itself up an swing sideways/pull to get on solid enough ground to get unstuck but what a mess it makes. Over the same ground I can drive my 3,000 lb. Ag tractor and not leave deep ruts, at least a few passes. I have used my excavator to pull the TLB for sliding/rolling down a 15' steep gully, etc on more than one or two occasions.
I have pulled/lifted stuck cars, trucks UTV's, other tractors, with the TLB when I can keep it on firm ground but it is only 1/2 the strength of a full size TLB.
 
   / 30 acres and plans to build a new house - Equipment to get? #34  
Oh don’t get me wrong, I’d rather have an excavator, too.

But when you said they are really limited compared to an excavator, I would argue the excavator is actually more limited more than the backhoe. Excavator will dig much stronger & faster, but backhoe can do things an excavator simply cannot do. It is also more versatile.

Another thing a backhoe can do that an excavator can’t do is work on pavement or blacktop areas without damaging them (if it has steel tracks). An excavator cannot do that.

If the OP plans to work across his driveway, he is limited to a rubber tracks excavator.
Rubber tracks are offered on machines all the way up to a 315. He wouldn't neccearily need rubber tracks. You can still cross the pavement without issue if it was backfilled properly.
 
   / 30 acres and plans to build a new house - Equipment to get? #35  
Rubber tracks are offered on machines all the way up to a 315. He wouldn't neccearily need rubber tracks. You can still cross the pavement without issue if it was backfilled properly.
I catch anyone with steel tracks on my driveway without mats and I’m crackin skulls.
 
   / 30 acres and plans to build a new house - Equipment to get? #36  
I use my backhoe to pull my tractors and lawn mower out of the mud all the time. It's almost become a joke how often I get my zero turn stuck when mowing next to my pond. The walk of shame to get the backhoe is the worse part, but once I'm on my backhoe, it's pretty easy to pull anything I have out of the mud.

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The dipper stick on a backhoe is crazy strong once the stabs and loader bucket are down.
My friends JD210 backhoe, which is their smallest full size hoe, pulled my stuck farm tractor out of deep mud effortlessly.
 
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   / 30 acres and plans to build a new house - Equipment to get? #37  
So this all came to be rather quickly. Monday went to look at and yesterday dug my first stump out with the new to me 1975 Case 580B I just paid $6,700 for with delivery. You are darn right that backhoe throws the tractor around. Was fun but Ive got a lot to learn. Now Mi just needs to warm up a bit.
WOW! WHAT A BEAUTY THAT IS ! LOOKS NEW !... and the price ...CONGRATULATIONS.
I bet you could rig up a soft canvas cab and heater real easily for winter.
In good weather I do prefer an open station with an insulated canopy like yours has.
 
   / 30 acres and plans to build a new house - Equipment to get? #38  
So this all came to be rather quickly. Monday went to look at and yesterday dug my first stump out with the new to me 1975 Case 580B I just paid $6,700 for with delivery. You are darn right that backhoe throws the tractor around. Was fun but Ive got a lot to learn. Now Mi just needs to warm up a bit.
Nice machine. I think you will be amazed by how much work it will do. And how much fun you will have doing it. If you ever need to install an infiltrator type septic system I can give you some pointers. I don't know how your hoe controls are configured. On my machine the swing control is from foot pedals. It is easy to swing the boom inadvertently on my machine. The boom swings FAST. It is important to keep people far enough away from the machine so that they cannot be struck by the boom. I have had folks come up on me while I was operating the machine and I didn't see them until they were inside the radius of the boom swinging. That really scares me because that boom could kill someone. So now whenever I am operating the machine I make sure to tell anybody that's around to keep away.
Eric
 
   / 30 acres and plans to build a new house - Equipment to get? #39  
The dipper stick on a backhoe is crazy strong once the stabs and loader bucket are down.
My friends JD210 backhoe, which is their smallest full size hoe, pulled my stuck farm tractor out of deep mud effortlessly.

We got a log truck stuck on my job earlier in the week. I was impressed how easily my D3 dozer made the job look. There’s no way my rubber track skid steer would have done the job. We had the log truck suck worse the day before and the D3 didn’t struggle that time either.
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   / 30 acres and plans to build a new house - Equipment to get? #40  
Your logger truck friend needs full locking tandems or a 6x6.
I was in slippery mud earlier this week and the 4WD and locking differential made all the difference in the world.
 

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