Loader 3038 vs 4110 loader capabilities

[suburbanfarmer]

A little confused with the specs on these 2 tractors that are so different yet the breakout force for loader is better on the smaller tractor. Why is that so?

4110:
Loader type: John Deere 410
Height (to pin): 74 inches [187 cm]
Clearance, dumped bucket: 55.1 inches [139 cm]
Dump reach: 24.8 inches [62 cm]
Dump angle: 45
Reach at ground: 44.6 inches [113 cm]
Rollback at ground: 25
Rollback, raised: 64
Breakout force (at pin): 2257 lbs [1023 kg]
Breakout force (bucket): 1,661 lbs [753 kg]
Lift to full height (at pin): 882 lbs [400 kg]
Lift to full height (at 500mm): 618 lbs [280 kg]
Lift to 1.5m (at pin): 1,072 lbs [486 kg]
Lift to 1.5m (at 500mm): 781 lbs [354 kg]
Bucket width: 49.2 inches [124 cm]
Raise time to height: 2.5 s
Bucket dump time: 2.0 s
Lowering time: 1.8 s
Rollback time: 1.9 s

3038e
Loader:
Loader type: John Deere D160
Height (to pin): 84 inches [213 cm]
Dump reach: 24 inches [60 cm]
Dump angle: 43.8
Rollback angle: 31.4
Breakout force (at pin): 1704 lbs [772 kg]
Breakout force (at 500mm): 1204 lbs [546 kg]
Lift to full height (at pin): 1186 lbs [537 kg]
Lift to full height (at 500mm): 845 lbs [383 kg]
Lift to 1.5m (at pin): 1294 lbs [586 kg]
Lift to 1.5m (at 500mm): 977 lbs [443 kg]

 

[atsah]

Don't know about the break out force but I would have thought those two tractors could lift more than that at full height..

 

[suburbanfarmer]

Don't know about the break out force but I would have thought those two tractors could lift more than that at full height..

4110 is only 20hp
TractorData.com John Deere 411 tractor information

While 3038 is 36hp
TractorData.com John Deere 338E tractor information

 

[atsah]

I was thinking the 4110 has more HP than that.

 

[suburbanfarmer]

I was thinking the 4110 has more HP than that.

So I have few acres and thinking going compact rather than large. The smaller unit comes with a boat load of attachments including mower at $11k but no bushhog at 900hrs while the 3038 comes with FEL and BH only at $19k with only 55hrs.

 

[atsah]

Do you need a backhoe? IMO the 3038 with the backhoe isn't a bad deal..

 

[suburbanfarmer]

Do you need a backhoe? IMO the 3038 with the backhoe isn't a bad deal..

Sorry bush-hog, not back hoe. And no not really need one.

 

[suburbanfarmer]

Anyways definitely need a brush cutter and seems with the smaller 4110 i can only use 4' where as with the 3038 i can use a 6'.. These choices are so tough

 

[atsah]

I used a medium duty 5ft bush hog on a 45hp tractor, the 6ft would have been to much with the hydro.

 

[al3]

Add in the price of fluids (Hyd, engine, coolant), filters, and belts. The 4110 is due for a valve adjustment too. Tire tread? Worn bucket edge?

Hogging a wide open space or going into woodlots or between/ around trees? Larger is better in the former, can be limiting in the later.
Have you got something specific that needs to be lifted? A pallet of something at a specific weight, a few snowmobiles, or just loose bucket loads of aggregate/sand/horse manure?

My personal experience with the JD FEL lift spec is it seem optimistic in real life application. Don't forget to subtract the weight of the bucket/forks from actual lifting capability. And then realize that anything you lift (other than a thin slab of steel stood on edge) is going to be extended out from the pin point. 500mm is less than 20 inches.

Personally, I find myself wishing for more FEL lift capability occasionally (not always). Moving soils et al just results in more trips. But there are things that can't be lifted, such as equipment/pallets being delivered, large rocks, snowmobiles unless you have bigger capability.

Good luck

 

[beenthere]

Have been using a 5' rotary mower on my 4300 with 32 hp and have never experienced a lack of power, regardless of being in brush or in heavy, tall grasses. And before the 4300, had good results from my older 2-cyl 420 tractor w/26 hp

 

[suburbanfarmer]

Add in the price of fluids (Hyd, engine, coolant), filters, and belts. The 4110 is due for a valve adjustment too. Tire tread? Worn bucket edge?

Hogging a wide open space or going into woodlots or between/ around trees? Larger is better in the former, can be limiting in the later.
Have you got something specific that needs to be lifted? A pallet of something at a specific weight, a few snowmobiles, or just loose bucket loads of aggregate/sand/horse manure?

My personal experience with the JD FEL lift spec is it seem optimistic in real life application. Don't forget to subtract the weight of the bucket/forks from actual lifting capability. And then realize that anything you lift (other than a thin slab of steel stood on edge) is going to be extended out from the pin point. 500mm is less than 20 inches.

Personally, I find myself wishing for more FEL lift capability occasionally (not always). Moving soils et al just results in more trips. But there are things that can't be lifted, such as equipment/pallets being delivered, large rocks, snowmobiles unless you have bigger capability.

Good luck

The 1000hr svc was done by the dealer and my lot is full of trees and obstacles including a ditch that will need a bridge on it to cross the other side. I have no snowmobiles or pallets to move around or hay bales.
At most move mulch and dirt and eventually do some hobby farming work.

 

[MMH]

So I have few acres and thinking going compact rather than large. The smaller unit comes with a boat load of attachments including mower at $11k but no bushhog at 900hrs while the 3038 comes with FEL and BH only at $19k with only 55hrs.

You need to determine if you need Hp or a larger machine. In other words, Are you going to be using the tractor for ground engaging/FEL work or running a mower? The 3038 is about 50% larger Weight, rear lift capacity, tires, etc.) than the 4110. In addition, the front tires on the 4110 are fairly small (5.00-12). Even if the loader could handle more, the tires really couldn't.

 

[MMH]

The 1000hr svc was done by the dealer and my lot is full of trees and obstacles including a ditch that will need a bridge on it to cross the other side. I have no snowmobiles or pallets to move around or hay bales.
At most move mulch and dirt and eventually do some hobby farming work.

sounds like a 4110 will be all that you need. It should be fine moving dirt/mulch/etc. It could even do some earth moving chores (don't know if you are suggesting that you will be building the bridge), things just take a little longer. I did allot w/ my Kubota 9200 which is a similarly sized machine to the 4110.

I have never wanted more Hp, but always wanted more machine. When I got my JD 4500 I never regretted the size. The Kubota does not get much love anymore...

 

[MMH]

...My personal experience with the JD FEL lift spec is it seem optimistic in real life application. Don't forget to subtract the weight of the bucket/forks from actual lifting capability. And then realize that anything you lift (other than a thin slab of steel stood on edge) is going to be extended out from the pin point. 500mm is less than 20 inches.

Personally, I find myself wishing for more FEL lift capability occasionally (not always). Moving soils et al just results in more trips. But there are things that can't be lifted, such as equipment/pallets being delivered, large rocks, snowmobiles unless you have bigger capability.

Good luck

If anything, the specs on my loader (a 460 loader on my JD4500) are pessimistic. But this entire machine is underated in my opinion.

You are correct about FEL lift capacity - I have never wanted less. Even when not at full capability, having reserve is reassuring as it does offer you additional control. Even moving dirt/gravel having more capacity lets you dig in deeper lift faster, etc. not all dirt is unfrozen, loose/fluffy, etc. But, as I said in my previous post, the FEL needs to be balanced to the tractor that it is mounted to, which seems to be the case for the two machines the OP is asking about.

 

[suburbanfarmer]

If anything, the specs on my loader (a 460 loader on my JD4500) are pessimistic. But this entire machine is underated in my opinion.

You are correct about FEL lift capacity - I have never wanted less. Even when not at full capability, having reserve is reassuring as it does offer you additional control. Even moving dirt/gravel having more capacity lets you dig in deeper lift faster, etc. not all dirt is unfrozen, loose/fluffy, etc. But, as I said in my previous post, the FEL needs to be balanced to the tractor that it is mounted to, which seems to be the case for the two machines the OP is asking about.

I ended up with neither the 4110 or the 3038e. Ended up buying the 2720

 

[atsah]

I ended up with neither the 4110 or the 3038e. Ended up buying the 2720

I think the 2720 is good choice.. Good luck with it..

 

[suburbanfarmer]

I think the 2720 is good choice.. Good luck with it..

Thank you, now if only the rain lets up so i can start using it.

 

[Agent Blue]

Add in the price of fluids (Hyd, engine, coolant), filters, and belts. The 4110 is due for a valve adjustment too. Tire tread? Worn bucket edge?

Why do you say the 4110 needs a VALVE adjustment ? Nothing in the owners manual. The only valve mentioned is on the air cleaner rubber seal.

 

[beenthere]

AgentBlue quoted reply #10.. from al3