4 Wheel drive indicator with inclinometer install on a Grand L Cab

   / 4 Wheel drive indicator with inclinometer install on a Grand L Cab
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Fred, forget the heated mirrors, out in the snow today, here's why

" the view is only as good as the window you're looking out of "
The camera eliminates (the window)
If you want a clean view, forget mirrors, Install a camera.

If WaxMan and 4shorts can have cameras, so can you;)


 
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I have the camera like you just can't get used to using it. I drove a semi for 10 years (in another life) and am pretty good at backing and like using the mirrors but they do get covered if I don't get the shoot for the snowblower moved quickly enough.

Just started snowing here local weatherman says 16" soft (the wife will love it ha ha) she snow shoes with the dogs.

I took a mirror off and it looks like the glass is plastic, anyway thinking about using a hole saw in the drill press and cutting in a Grote Trucklite rubber mount and trying it with the parking lights, it might be enough to shoot some heat behind the glass, looks like a very easy install.

Not sure yet, I knew the turbo would work ok not sure about the lights in the mirrors.

Regards stay safe, Fred

PS, a buddy just called from north of NYC they have 16 " snow now from this latest storm.
 
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I have the camera like you just can't get used to using it. I drove a semi for 10 years (in another life) and am pretty good at backing and like using the mirrors but they do get covered if I don't get the shoot for the snowblower moved quickly enough.

Just started snowing here local weatherman says 16" soft (the wife will love it ha ha) she snow shoes with the dogs.

I took a mirror off and it looks like the glass is plastic, anyway thinking about using a hole saw in the drill press and cutting in a Grote Trucklite rubber mount and trying it with the parking lights, it might be enough to shoot some heat behind the glass, looks like a very easy install.

Not sure yet, I knew the turbo would work ok not sure about the lights in the mirrors.

Regards stay safe, Fred

PS, a buddy just called from north of NYC they have 16 " snow now from this latest storm.

Where is hooterville anyway? 16 inches is a lot of snow.
You know that just might be a good idea, installing a light in the mirror, not sure if it will get that hot alone, but might look good. Maybe if you use the Grote rubber mount in the hole, but put a string of 194 lights on the inside against the back of the mirror for heat or a dome light those get pretty hot.
 
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Tomorrow the storm hits us. It will start out with 100 km winds with 15-20 cm's of snow changing to freezing rain then to 10-15 mm's of rain. Should make for an interesting day :shocked:
 
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Interesting day, indeed. We got about 15" of wet snow yesterday, and then some icy rain in the evening, then about 3" or 4" more of wet snow last night. I got to spend 4+ hours yesterday mid-day, clearing the first snowfall from about 1000' of gravel lane, enjoying cab-free conditions. Then, another couple of hours today, in warmer conditions, clearing up even better and taking care of the new snow, which drifted- we had high winds during the night. Power flickered off maybe 4 or 5 times, but always came right back on. Thankfully.

We are thinking about getting a newer small Kubota- one that will mount a front snow plow and maybe a bucket, as well. I am getting too old to spend 6 hours twisted around, watching a rear blade. Plus, our B-8200 is gear tranny, and my wife would do better with a hydro, if she had to do the plowing. I guess I would, too, since 15-18" of wet snow requires a lot of bucket work to move away in congested areas. Time to start checking out what's available, and figuring out what this will cost.
 
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The storm ended here with 12" then Saturday night another 2, no big deal. Spent Saturday shoveling the roof then clearing trails so I could get more firewood in. What a mess under all this snow is the same 2" of solid ice that plagued us in January, even my crawler won't go over it very well after welding little dingle-berries on the steel cleats with a wire feed for temporary better traction.

Anyway the mirrors and camera got all covered in snow making seeing useless. We are about 10 miles from Mt. Mansfield the tallest hill in Vermont.
I see heated mirrors in my future after I tighten up the snowblower impeller housing somehow.

Regards, Fred
 
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We are thinking about getting a newer small Kubota- one that will mount a front snow plow and maybe a bucket, as well. I am getting too old to spend 6 hours twisted around, watching a rear blade. Plus, our B-8200 is gear tranny, and my wife would do better with a hydro, if she had to do the plowing. I guess I would, too, since 15-18" of wet snow requires a lot of bucket work to move away in congested areas. Time to start checking out what's available, and figuring out what this will cost.

Varmint, you could get one of these. I have the same tractor but without the blower.

Kubota B3030 HSDC snowblowing Jan 2012 (HD) - YouTube
 
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Waxman
another better than great project
always like looking up your projects as I know they will be well detailed
Thanks for sharing
 
   / 4 Wheel drive indicator with inclinometer install on a Grand L Cab
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Waxman
another better than great project
always like looking up your projects as I know they will be well detailed
Thanks for sharing

Thank you Beltman
 
   / 4 Wheel drive indicator with inclinometer install on a Grand L Cab
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Sorry guys this is so long.
Paul I have watched your 1st video above about inclinometers, and now have watched your second video now that it is installed. I'll comment on that video later. It amazes me the length you are going to let people know how bad my tilt meter install is. There is really something that rubs you the wrong way to go thru all this trouble about my tilt meter install. Maybe you think only you should do tractor Mods.

Though I like the one you bought, I'm not sure I would trust it as much as you think.
I have to disagree with your overall general thoughts about inclinometers as you stated in the above video. I know it was just your opinion but here is my opinion in response.

I really think you are misleading people on the safety value of an inclinometer, whether "you" ever needed one or not.

You said in your video above "Anything that you physically have to look at to see if you're tipping over, it's too late"
I'm sorry but you don't look at an inclinometer to see if you're tipping over.
You always look at an inclinometer in a stopped position to have an accurate gauge of the slope.

In the video segment, you do your very best to say your new meter is better than anything out there. Even though in the video you just opened the package, you never even used one before and it's a hard to find discontinued item as you admit.

Yet with all that information, you already know before even taking it out of the box. It was better than anything out there including the factory Toyota type meter that I use. I could see it in your face explaining how poorly (you think ) all the other inclinometers work including the one I already installed in my tractor. Making hand gestures etc. to show like it was very hard to decipher what angle you're at. I realize it was only your opinion and I respect that, but you're misleading people in your video, IMO.
The meter you have there was only on the market for about a year or so. And the company stopped making and selling them. No one ever made another one like it so you have one of the few that are left.
That tells me if it was good in would still be selling.

The drawing of my tractor, jeep, car or truck that you refer to turns on the meter, the needle points to the degree listed on the meter. It's really that simple. It works by gears and gravity, no other power needed. Sometimes simple is better.

You don't have to study angles or figure anything out like you portray in your video above.
Same with the ball and tube inclinometer. They will never ever be inaccurate because of the laws of physics .
All inclinometers are only accurate at stopped vehicle position. Even your NOS meter.
Here is a link for the ball and tube meters. I don't think this company thinks they are a gimmick.

Welcome http://www.tiltmeter.com

Just a little information for anyone who is interested.
The factory Toyota meter was used for about 15 straight years in many different Toyota models. Made in Japan by a Company that still makes them today - Jeco of Japan. The car manufacturers' versions are not cheaply made versions. Even the Late model Toyotas today have an inclinometer option. So does Nissan, Land Rover and Mitsubishi all use the mechanical type jeep version you call it.
Clearly Toyota and others must also disagree with your comments. Toyota and others must have thought it was more a safety feature than a liability or they wouldn't keep offering the tilt meters on their vehicles to this day.

Another quote of yours, Paul - you told me in a reply when I questioned you on youtube, in reference to my mechanical tilt meter
"If you have to take your eyes off the windshield and look at an instrument then it becomes a hazard and shouldn't be in the cab".
I also disagree with you on that.

You look at your instruments when you're stopped or when it's safe to do so, you don't ride around watching your meter. I'm completely capable of glancing at any of my instruments.
The tilt meter is a "gauge" to tell what angle you're at. It does not warn you before you tip over, only operator knowledge will prevent a rollover. A tilt meter helps the operator know for sure without guesswork what the degree slope he is on.

In my opinion, since you gave me yours, that new old stock meter that you have is very dangerous. The operator ends up relying on the electronic meter presets to beep and warn of a coming rollover. It gives you a false sense of comfort - the meter could fail that you rely on and not beep. According to the only review on your meter that's out there, it did not perform well and is unreliable. That is probably why it was discontinued. Here is the review.

http://www.4x4review.com/innovate-motorsports-rad-1-digital-inclinometer/

The mechanical meters including the ball and tube type have been around for many years, tested and proven time and time again by major car manufacturers, the military, firetrucks, farm tractors, heavy equipment, etc.

You're depending on a discontinued item and listening and trusting a beeping noise that could fail instead of your eyes to tell you the grade you're on?
You have a lot of followers and Tilt meters are a safety item, you're telling people the exact opposite.
Anything that you have to rely on a beeping sound to warn you you're tipping over, instead of physically using your eyes and senses it could be too late. A mechanical meter could help with that knowledge.

In my next post I will share your install video of your new meter, the operation of your new meter and the email I sent you after I watched this video above back on March 1st To show your remarks about restraining orders and me being dangerous were unfounded. But I guess it makes for a good video.
I think that way people can watch the two videos, read what was said and come to their own conclusions about tilt meters.
 
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