4 year old tractor passenger killed

[JB4310]

And that's the problem...the adult pays temporarily, the child pays permanently.

I would argue it's the other way around


A little ride around after the work is done is fine, an American tradition, character building. All my kids drive my tractors themselves, started very young with the Wheel Horse and Cub Cadet garden tractors.
Last year my 11 year old helped me recover my stuck 2wd ford, Put him on the hydro JD cause I figured that was safer and he pulled me out.

But mowing and for God's sake BRUSH HOGGING with a baby on board :confused2:
Unless we are talking about a cab machine.

JB.

 

[The Haymaker]

I have posted a U-tube video a few times about a 7 yr old girl that slipped off her farther's lap and run over by a brush hog. The video takes place in the girl's hospital room, showing her head and face. Then the camera pulls back and you see that she is in bed with half of her arm and leg missing, and a few fingers from the other hand missing too.

Harsh you say? You get a mules attention by first hitting him up-side the head with a 2 x 4.

As for bubble warp, hardly. I have taken adults and children up in open cockpit airplanes. Before anyone gets out of the car, the rules of airport etiquette are discussed.
NO running around.
NO fooling with propellers.
NO going near plans with the engine running.
Stay with the group at the safe location until ready to board the airplane.

You get one violation, the second one and you are packed up and heading home. No buts, no flying.

If haymaker were ever involved in such a incident, I am sure he would do the honorable thing and suck on his shoot gun.

That's "Boom Stick" to you mister.

 

[kebo]

I happen to be in the camp that believes kids shouldn't be allowed on tractors (or any heavy equipment), until they demonstrate they are mature enough (physically and mentally) to get on one. I know lots of kids are taught to operate them at a pretty young age to help with the farm chores/business but that is more out of necessity than for just sheer pleasure. In my mind, that sort of falls under a different scenario than just giving kids a ride on the tractor because they think its fun.

I hope that none of Haymakers kids/grandkids ever get hurt/killed while on a tractor, but if one does I am certain he will not shed a tear, or feel any remorse over it, and just suck it up and throw the next youngin' on the tractor and take off again just to prove the injury/death was a fluke and it won't ever happen again.

Kids should be on the swingset or trampoline, riding bikes, or playing ball, or playing other kid games, not riding tractors or bulldozers. I realize we can't protect kids from all the potential dangers in life, but putting them on tractors is unnecessarily exposing them to a huge risk, one greater than they are capable of comprehending. You know the child isn't going to say, "I think that's too dangerous for me to get on", they depend on us as responsible adults to make the right choices for them.

 

[JDGREEN4ME]

Thank you for calling me stupid, ye of the Judgment Pavilion. I appreciate that.

I would never call you stupid anymore than I would expect you to call me over protective. Frankly I don't care if you kill somebody or not while on your own tractor. I would not risk my child's life while working on my tractor to confirm my point or disprove yours.

 

[Localmotion]

just our of interest- why have several earlier replys (including my own) been deleated???

I replied this morning after Chad22 - should have been around #8 or #9 on the permerlink???

Likewise there were a number of other responses also at the time I replied which have now gone...

As I cannot understand the reason for deleating my comments, please allow me to again summerise what I said...

Thank you for calling me stupid, ye of the Judgment Pavilion. I appreciate that.

I actually quoted somebody elses reply, which was quite harsh towards the above comment - and said that I thought as such.

However there is no reason / excuse for letting a child ride on any industrial machine, be it tractor / dumper / excavator - as a child I was not allowed to ride on any machine, unless it was stationary and the key removed from the ignition. In fact the first moving tractor that I rode on was at the age of 14 - and I was legally driving it (at least I didn't need to make the broom broom noises anymore :laughing:

In the UK it is illegal for anybody under the age of 14 to ride on a tractor, so I struggle to see why anybopdy would risk life & break the law in this day and age?? I agree it would be a shame for kids not to experience the thrill of a tractor ride - if you really want to take them out I suggest a trailer with seats (same as a farm park), but drive carefully and remember that an accident is only a lapse of concentration away....

That I believe acurately sumerises what I wrote before - As iI do not see what is wrong or offensive by that, I can only assume Muhammad took offence to the comment which I replied to???

Of course if my comments (now or earlier) did course any offence, then I appologise - I'm just hoping it was the offensive comment that I "QUOTED" that was the actual problem?

 

[RoyJackson]

Originally Posted by RoyJackson
And that's the problem...the adult pays temporarily, the child pays permanently.

I would argue it's the other way around

I meant the adult will, sooner or later, accept the loss of a child. The child is dead...
Not exactly sure what you meant, or thought I meant.

 

[JB4310]

I meant the adult will, sooner or later, accept the loss of a child. The child is dead...
Not exactly sure what you meant, or thought I meant.

I meant the adult has to live with it forever, don't think one would get over it.
Would be over pretty quickly for the child.

Was not trying to be argumentative, just a different way to look at it.

Either way it's a lose/lose situation.

JB

 

[Qapla]

I'm not going to express one side or the other as to if a child has any place on a tractor.

However, I will say this:

I hope that all those who are against it are also against parents smoking while their kids are in the car. Also, that they do not let their kids ride any motorized device (ATV, motorbike, etc.). While we are at it, kids probably should not use a BBQ grill, household stove or any power equipment like skill or table saws.

While they are at it, since so many pedophiles use the Internet, I guess kids should also not use computers or Internet capable phones.

This may seem extreme, but we are talking about children.

 

[Jaylegger]

I'm not going to express one side or the other as to if a child has any place on a tractor.

However, I will say this:

I hope that all those who are against it are also against parents smoking while their kids are in the car. Also, that they do not let their kids ride any motorized device (ATV, motorbike, etc.). While we are at it, kids probably should not use a BBQ grill, household stove or any power equipment like skill or table saws.

While they are at it, since so many pedophiles use the Internet, I guess kids should also not use computers or Internet capable phones.

This may seem extreme, but we are talking about children.

These arguments crack me up, when some can foresee and attempt to minimize dangers then there's always a small but vocal group who chime in with they might as well live life in bubble wrap suit or I guess kids then shouldn't operated bbq's, powertools or stoves either. The cherry on top is typically the safety police comment.

There are different levels of danger which require varying levels of diligence. A child riding on a tractor on a paved driveway with no implements attached is far different than a child on a tractor mowing a field with a rear mower. Anyone who even attempts to condone the latter is a fool, or probably more accurately is a stupid dumbass. Did you see in the video where the kid was interviewed and said the death of this child was a "freak of nature", apparently he's been raised and schooled in the same environment of dumbassness. What about the older guy who claims he never saw the danger is such an activity but now he's seen the light. At least he learned something, more than I can say for some here.

I do not allow my kids to ride on the tractor, I do not allow my kids boating without life-jackets on, I do not allow my kids to play Russian roulette, I do not allow my kids to sit on the hood of my car when it's in motion, I do not allow my kids to stick screwdrivers in power receptacles, I don't allow them to to jump on trains when they are moving, and I don't allow them to wrap rope around their or an others neck. I don't allow activities where there is a foreseeable high level of danger and I, generally, place riding on a tractor in that category. Perhaps I'm too tough on them but the I trust the restrictions from all the bubble-wrap won't negatively impede there freedoms too much but hopefully, with counseling, they'll learn to forgive me.

Oh, and it's my opinion that anyone who smokes in the car or any small confined space with kids is a dumbass too. These are things I feel strongly about.

 

[houstonscott]

It's funny half of all the manuals for tractors are safety related items and taking a passenger is always one listed as a not to do. Now the funny part, almost all the manufactures adds and brochures have a shot of a tractor with a passenger on them. The LS web site has a picture of a guy and his girl or wife on the machine with him in the shots of a U5030. huh

HS