4025 broken bh subframe

[fried1765]

Those instructions were clearly written by a lawyer. A couple things to keep in mind when reading those instructions.....first, the manufacturer will always say to operate as conservatively as possible to help them avoid excessive warranty claims. Second, often times these backhoes are designed by a third party for use across multiple platforms. They are attachments, and can be exposed to a wide array of operating conditions. Picking the back of the machine up on a 3 point hitch backhoe, for example, might not be recommended. A subframe should be significantly more capable.

Bringing the wheels off the ground will not significantly change the digging depth or stability.....nor will it increase stress in the area that the OP frame was broken. If anything, lifting the tires would reduce stress in that area when applying force under a tree root or stump.

I pick up the back of my machine all the time. Often times that's required to get the back end level if it's not on a perfectly flat surface. If it breaks, I'll weld it back together and make it stronger. I bought my equipment to use, and I will use it to its capability. Every once in a while that means I need to improve a weak area in the original design.

As I said earlier - if this was my backhoe I'd weld that back together, reinforce it so that it doesn't happen again, and go back to using it without overthinking things.

Sure am glad I took the Ford dealer's advice 31 years ago!
He said: Don't buy a very small, or an aftermarket hoe.
"I'll find you a small factory assembled industrial unit".
Wow! Excellent advice! I waited & waited!
Took nearly 2 years, but he found a small, used, 1350 hr. (16 yrs. old then) Ford industrial TLB with 10' hoe.
I run that hoe with wheels always well off the ground. It is strong as an ox, and I can use the hoe to drag/push the machine wherever I want. I do not use my TLB more than about 15 hours annually. Factory subframe allows for quick disconnect", but I have only had the hoe off only once in 31 years. Tractor does have 3 pt. hitch & PTO also.
Just did a complete refurbishment on the entire machine this year.
It is currently asleep in my barn, while am away for the winter, enjoying outdoor warmth & sunshine.
Now "Cat" yellow, machine looks like new! Would post pictures, but TBN picture posting is too complex for me.

 

[e5wd6114]

Your cars owners manual also says to obey all local and state laws. Do you ever speed or not use your turn signal in the distance frame required by law? Your tractor states to always have the rops up and seatbelt on. Can you honestly say you致e done that 100% of the time? Are you smarter than the engineer or lawyer?

If you have ever been around heavy equipment or anything that uses outrigger you壇 know what gives the most stability. If you use the manual as gospel than good luck. I was giving real life advice on operating equipment. Most on here have very little true experience or this is their first piece of equipment.

This subject has been beat to death and I知 exhausted going back and forth. If you don稚 understand what I知 saying you will never get it. This isn稚 rocket science or really a complex issue. It痴 common sense which obviously isn稚 as common as it once was.

Good luck



Great points. Manufactures seem to be leaving guys in the wind when they aren稚 abusing these at all. As much as they charge for them they should be getting excellent service

Brett

So recommending that people operate their machines outside of the parameters set by the manufacturer in writing on this forum now opens up the possibility that if someone damages their unit or injures themselves while following YOUR advice that they may attempt to pursue YOU legally. Arguing against the manufacturer's operation instructions is never a good idea, regardless of what you THINK, the parameters set are done so for very good reason...usually after accidents where blood is spilled and lengthy court battles ensue. To continue to argue your point is just not a very smart position to take.

 

[jb1390]

So recommending that people operate their machines outside of the parameters set by the manufacturer in writing on this forum now opens up the possibility that if someone damages their unit or injures themselves while following YOUR advice that they may attempt to pursue YOU legally. Arguing against the manufacturer's operation instructions is never a good idea, regardless of what you THINK, the parameters set are done so for very good reason...usually after accidents where blood is spilled and lengthy court battles ensue. To continue to argue your point is just not a very smart position to take.

:soapbox:

 

[rustyshakelford]

So recommending that people operate their machines outside of the parameters set by the manufacturer in writing on this forum now opens up the possibility that if someone damages their unit or injures themselves while following YOUR advice that they may attempt to pursue YOU legally. Arguing against the manufacturer's operation instructions is never a good idea, regardless of what you THINK, the parameters set are done so for very good reason...usually after accidents where blood is spilled and lengthy court battles ensue. To continue to argue your point is just not a very smart position to take.

There’s so many things I want to call you or say to you but I’ll just let the people on this forum read the posts and create an informed opinion on what advice to listen. About the nicest thing I can say is “Bless your heart”

I guess it adds up that you’re from MA for the things you have typed that make zero sense and your thought to point immediately to a litigious response. I’m actually laughing out loud at how ludicrous this is

Brett

 

[Rock Crawler]

He is "one of them". I saw that early on in the conversation. Trust me, most of us read his comments and see it/him for what it is. Your all good, Rusty.

 

[e5wd6114]

He is "one of them". I saw that early on in the conversation. Trust me, most of us read his comments and see it/him for what it is. Your all good, Rusty.

LOL....I'm definitely NOT one of them, but having been involved in accident investigation to defend against law suits in industrial mishaps I KNOW what gets used against you by THEM. Always CYA! But if you have a problem with me pointing out that spouting off improper information in writing on a public forum can be twisted into a liability situation then apparently you would rather "be right" than "be smart"

 

[e5wd6114]

He is "one of them". I saw that early on in the conversation. Trust me, most of us read his comments and see it/him for what it is. Your all good, Rusty.

LOL....I'm definitely NOT one of them, but having been involved in accident investigation to defend against law suits in industrial mishaps I KNOW what gets used against you by THEM. Always CYA! But if you have a problem with me pointing out that spouting off improper information in writing on a public forum can be twisted into a liability situation then apparently you would rather "be right" than "be smart"

 

[fried1765]

There’s so many things I want to call you or say to you but I’ll just let the people on this forum read the posts and create an informed opinion on what advice to listen. About the nicest thing I can say is “Bless your heart”

I guess it adds up that you’re from MA for the things you have typed that make zero sense and your thought to point immediately to a litigious response. I’m actually laughing out loud at how ludicrous this is

Brett

Just take a moment to think about it:...."Pocahontas" is from MA also !!!!

 

[e5wd6114]

There’s so many things I want to call you or say to you but I’ll just let the people on this forum read the posts and create an informed opinion on what advice to listen. About the nicest thing I can say is “Bless your heart”

I guess it adds up that you’re from MA for the things you have typed that make zero sense and your thought to point immediately to a litigious response. I’m actually laughing out loud at how ludicrous this is

Brett

Call me whatever you want and judge me by my location how you feel. The fact is that everything you have said in this thread is contradicted by EVERY manufacturer of backhoe attachments owners manual and you expect me to concede that somehow you're opinion is more valid than Bradco, Paladin, Ansung, KMW, and Woods is the only thing to laugh out loud at. My apologies for attempting to get you to think about the possible consequences of your opinion on here and by all means say whatever you want no matter how incorrect and irresponsible it may be.

 

[e5wd6114]

Just take a moment to think about it:...."Pocahontas" is from MA also !!!!

As a white, male, veteran, tax paying, gun owner...the mere mention of Fauxacontas makes me sick. Just because I'm stuck in a geographical area to take care of family doesn't mean that I'm some lobotomized liberal. I'm moving BACK to NH as soon as my family situation allows!