422 vrs 425

[woodlandfarms]

I normally try not to count my chickens before they've hatched but, I may have sold my PT as of next week the jury is still out.

If so then sometime this spring / summer I'll be in the market for a 422.

Barry... With tongue in cheek I ask why you have gone so small. I know of no one who has made such a small upgrade in tractors. At least a 1430 would have been the correct move up. I am impressed and amazed by your restraint. I could not have done it...

Carl

 

[Barryh]

Barry... With tongue in cheek I ask why you have gone so small. I know of no one who has made such a small upgrade in tractors. At least a 1430 would have been the correct move up. I am impressed and amazed by your restraint. I could not have done it...

Carl

Carl,

the correct move up for one person is not always the same for another. In a lot of cases I also might add, bigger is not always better. The 1430 is a very nice machine, but I really don't need anything that size for my little 1 plus acre. Hard to justify when I have a long long list of other priorities.

Now if I had your back 40, you can bet buying a larger tractor would be a no brainer. In fact my 180 was a great little machine, it handled anything I needed done around here.

I just wanted the extra 200 pound lift the option of the mini hoe, 40 attachments along with a little extra hydraulic cooling. When retirement comes along in about 15 years, and I have the option to buy 5 / 10 more acres, then I will defiantly buy a larger tractor. I also like the smaller size 180 /400 series for maneuvering around in our back woods.

 

[Barryh]

Barry,

I can't remember the exact prices -- it's like buried here in some of my old posts -- the White CE wheel motors that are used on the new PT 425s should be available for about $300-325 each. But, I'm not sure if the new PT-422s use the same "bolt-on" wheel motor mounting box/frame that the new PT-425s use. If they use the old-style welded on boxes that were used with the White 12.5ci motors, then that adds more work to convert... so, figure close to $1500 to upgrade them, add $500 for the ROPS, and you're looking at the remaining $500 price difference giving you the second steering cylinder and the larger engine, plus 6" higher lift. IMO, if you think you might need the wheel motor torque, it makes more sense to buy it up front...

As far as lift height, the 4-in-1 bucket will dump into PU beds and such better than the regular buckets, since they can dump out the bottom, which could help offset that limitation in some cases. The limiting factor is tilting the bucket to dump its contents -- which isn't necessary with the 4-in-1. If lift height is really an issue, there are other workarounds, such as front-hinged buckets like this one...

Some nice options I had not thought about Kent. I really don't see the less powerful wheel motors being a big issue for me. If I were using it commercially or used it as mower, and had a lot of steep hills to climb, then it would be a different story. I would go with the 425. Just wondered how much the motors cost knowing my options if ever needed as in, moving one day to another property .

The 422 on my budget gives me the option of buying more attachments when the time comes. I'm positive I'll be more than happy with a 422. I think I've read just about every post on this forum weighing in the differences between the two machines.

The 425 has some advantages but none worth the extra 2000 for my needs.

Unless I get one of these nightmare seniros where the engine burns up in the first 300 hours. Hoses / tanks leaking from a Friday night, hurry up lets get off work and go party welding job. I'm sure the 422 is going to be all the PT I need or want.

 

[Rivco]

Barry,
Here's a few more things to help confuse you in your decision between the 422 & 425. I bought the 22 Hp. carburetor & gov. spring from Robin and installed it on my old 180 ( less than $300.00 ) and BANG I have a 22 Hp. engine !!. I bought the 3-spool valve ( less than $300.00 ) and BANG I have a AUX. hydraulic circuit. The 422's have one steering cyl. same as the 180. The 180 has a 50" lift HT. & the 422 has a 52" lift HT.... not a big difference. The 422 lift cap is 800# compared to 600# on the 180, but the same engine is powering the hydraulics for that extra cap. The 422 has an oil cooler & the 180 does not....again basically the same engine (15 amp charging system). The other thing to consider is the Main PTO...the 422 & 425 have a elec. pto...so every time you engage an attachment you get the slam-bang effect!!, it's not a manual adj. soft start PTO like the 180 has.

IMO. I would go the extra mile ( $$$$) and buy the 425...the 422 and 180 are just to close in spec's and performance to make any difference. If you had bought the 422 to begin with then you would upgrade to the 425. I think you would be making a mistake going with the 422 where it is so close to the 180 ( with regards to the engine, single steering cyl., and probably the same pumps).Bite the bullet...and go for the 425.

I hope my input has confused your buying decision even more.

 

[Barryh]

Barry,
Here's a few more things to help confuse you in your decision between the 422 & 425. I bought the 22 Hp. carburetor & gov. spring from Robin and installed it on my old 180 ( less than $300.00 ) and BANG I have a 22 Hp. engine !!. I bought the 3-spool valve ( less than $300.00 ) and BANG I have a AUX. hydraulic circuit. The 422's have one steering cyl. same as the 180. The 180 has a 50" lift HT. & the 422 has a 52" lift HT.... not a big difference. The 422 lift cap is 800# compared to 600# on the 180, but the same engine is powering the hydraulics for that extra cap. The 422 has an oil cooler & the 180 does not....again basically the same engine (15 amp charging system). The other thing to consider is the Main PTO...the 422 & 425 have a elec. pto...so every time you engage an attachment you get the slam-bang effect!!, it's not a manual adj. soft start PTO like the 180 has.

IMO. I would go the extra mile ( $$$$) and buy the 425...the 422 and 180 are just to close in spec's and performance to make any difference. If you had bought the 422 to begin with then you would upgrade to the 425. I think you would be making a mistake going with the 422 where it is so close to the 180 ( with regards to the engine, single steering cyl., and probably the same pumps).Bite the bullet...and go for the 425.

I hope my input has confused your buying decision even more.

No confusion here... The 180 is gone as of tomorrow... my neighbor wants it. If he gets on here, I hope you guys treat him right. ;>) Summers a long way off. Between now and then anything could happen. I might even end up with a skid steer

 

[Barryh]

Anyone want to bring there PT over and plow my driveway for the winter ???

 

[BobRip]

Anyone want to bring there PT over and plow my driveway for the winter ???

Barry, sorry to belabor the point, but I also think your are making a mistake. If you want to upgrade the 422, you also have to change the tram pump, unless you want to cut your speed down about 30%. Also the wheel motors are not just more power, they are also physically stronger.

Also, the extra torque is also an advantage when digging with minihoe, bucker or trencher.

I would suggest test driving a 422 and also finding out if it has the same wheel motors as the 180, and if different what is the different.

Ok, you got my opinion. Hey you could buy my 422 with dual steering cylinders and then you could be happy.

Good luck and be happy.

 

[Barryh]

Barry, sorry to belabor the point, but I also think your are making a mistake. If you want to upgrade the 422, you also have to change the tram pump, unless you want to cut your speed down about 30%. Also the wheel motors are not just more power, they are also physically stronger.

Also, the extra torque is also an advantage when digging with minihoe, bucker or trencher.

I would suggest test driving a 422 and also finding out if it has the same wheel motors as the 180, and if different what is the different.

Ok, you got my opinion. Hey you could buy my 422 with dual steering cylinders and then you could be happy.

Good luck and be happy.

Ok I was happy... now you all have me thinking again. You just couldn't let it be could you ....

 

[BobRip]

Ok I was happy... now you all have me thinking again. You just couldn't let it be could you ....

Sorry. I guess I am famous for that. I push gently (sometimes not too gentle) till I get my way. Hey, it's not your decision anymore, just your money.

 

[Barryh]

Sorry. I guess I am famous for that. I push gently (sometimes not too gentle) till I get my way. Hey, it's not your decision anymore, just your money.

Ha ! Ha ! Bob you obviously don't know me. I always do what I want when I want, no one can sway me but, I'm not stupid either. It could be, you're just making really good sense. I'll be thinking it over. I have plenty of time. Thanks for all of your input and advice that's exactly what I was looking for. And of course everyone else has been very helpful