Price Check 4410

[ducks13]

Going to look at a 4410 this saturday. Whats $13,800 for it. I has 4WD, hydrostatic drive, load match and cruise. 954 hours. Says he works for a rental company that is located on the NC coast and that he used it for a year around his house to do some things but doesn't need it for anything anymore. Anything particular you would look at being a rental unit or around salt air a lot? Beside making sure everything works is there any other particular items you should check on a tractor like this before buying?

Thanks,
John

 

[RoyJackson]

Not really...there was a problem with the instrument panels fogging (fixed on a service bulletin). I have read (but don't know personally) that some rental tractors had range C (high range) blocked off. You might want to check on this or ask the seller.
Otherwise, these are pretty strong tractors with 35 Engine HP and 28 PTO HP (HST models). It should pull strongly. The 430 loader should easily lift the front end.
There have been a few threads on 4400 and 4410 tractors recently, so do a search for more info. Also, search for 4310 since more of them are around and they are identical to the 4410 except for the engine.

BTW, I see that tractor has the armor kit (protects the hood and should have some shields under the machine),

Good luck!

 

[ducks13]

Thanks for the info Roy. A 4400 just came up for sale down the road from the 4410 for $10,500.

It is a 2001 John Deere 4400 Tractor and loader , 4-wheel drive, hydrostat,1900 hours, good condition, new front tires. Including implements; spreader, box scrape, auger,and plugger.

Sounds like it is probably a better deal.

I check them both out if someone doesn't beat me to it.

 

[beenthere]

You can take the serial numbers of each of these (I'd think the 4400 is the better deal just on the surface) to the Deere dealer and ask them to bring up the tractors histories. That will tell you some more about when and where service work was done by a dealer.

The rental history might be a turndown for me.

You are lucky. Finding a 4400 or 4410 available around here has been tough, when a friend was looking hard a year ago. And I wouldn't sell him my 4300.

 

[ducks13]

Doesn't look like the 4400 is going to last long, someone is already on the way to look at it. The ad just appeared a couple of hours ago.

Roy, when you check to see if the loader will raise the front end how fast should the engine have to be running? Should it be able to do it at idle?

 

[hanson1999]

it looks like it has rusty rims, and one rear tire is on backwards, but it may be the perfect "project" tractor if your up for the challenge.

I'd hafta say i've seen alot nicer condition ones around just by looking at the pics....

 

[RoyJackson]

Roy, when you check to see if the loader will raise the front end how fast should the engine have to be running? Should it be able to do it at idle?

I always idle about 1400-1500 RPM and the loader should lift it at that RPM easily.

I didn't notice it initially, but Hanson brings up a point. That left rear tire sure looks like it's reversed (Not what you want with those tires). You should ask why.

 

[Johndeere3720]

That 4410 does not appear in too bad a shape. I would definitely ask about the backwards tire, it could mean the tire had been removed or replaced at a certain time due to a problem or potential failure. Thats the thing about R4 and R1 tires, they remove them from the rim and since they forget how the tire went on they just end up putting it on backwards. :confused2: Those shields on the 4410 are a big bonus, especially since they provide extra protection for potentially "fragile" areas that are easy to damage or break. I would just get on it, drive it around, use all three ranges (A,B, & C), try 4wd by either lowering the bucket to where the front tires are off the ground and driving in reverse or turning in a tight circle, you will notice a difference there between 2wd and 4wd. Check the oil, coolant, hydraulic fluid, fuel D) levels before operating the tractor and try to see if you can check the oil in the front axle as they do not put much in in the factory. Check all the electrical fixtures, lights, turn signals, etc. Ask about when it was last serviced and how often and what kind of use it has seen. Inspect the FEL, see how much if any grease is on the zerks, if there is any slop in the pins, see how well the hydraulics function by operating at full throttle, half, and idle while moving the loader joystick in diagonal patterns which will operate both lift and tilt simultaneously. Inspect the tires, check pressure if possible and make sure they are in fair shape with no big gashes or cracks in the sidewalls (unlikely unless the machine was kept outside). Operate the 3 point hitch up and down, try the PTO out. Try the park brake out, park at an incline of some sort if possible. After completing these tests, then you will have a better idea on your thoughts on purchasing this machine. Good luck! :thumbsup:

 

[RoyJackson]

That 4410 does not appear in too bad a shape. I would definitely ask about the backwards tire, it could mean the tire had been removed or replaced at a certain time due to a problem or potential failure. Thats the thing about R4 and R1 tires, they remove them from the rim and since they forget how the tire went on they just end up putting it on backwards. :confused2:

Curious thing about that is R-1's and R-4's both have arrows on the sidewalls to indicate rotation direction.
Guess whoever swapped the tire didn't know that....but they would have if they frequented TBN!

 

[ducks13]

I asked him about the tire on the phone, he said he didn't know why it was like that. I suspect that that is the way the tire happened to be mounted when it was pulled off another machine or something like that. Apparently he has used it for a year like that. Thanks for the help guys. Hopefully it will be worth bringing home today. I looked at prices on tractorhouse and machine finder last night, seems like not a bad deal at 13800 unless it is really worn out. Hopefully it has just been left outside some and needs a little touch up paint and polish.

 

[om21braz]

Hopefully it has just been left outside some and needs a little touch up paint and polish.

Are you going to Armor-All the tires? Just kidding - hope it turns out to be just the machine you need!

 

[RoyJackson]

I asked him about the tire on the phone, he said he didn't know why it was like that. I suspect that that is the way the tire happened to be mounted when it was pulled off another machine or something like that. Apparently he has used it for a year like that. Thanks for the help guys. Hopefully it will be worth bringing home today. I looked at prices on tractorhouse and machine finder last night, seems like not a bad deal at 13800 unless it is really worn out. Hopefully it has just been left outside some and needs a little touch up paint and polish.

I wish you the best of luck...but if you have any hesitation about the tractor, don't buy it.
If any rust is just surface (use a philips screwdriver to probe a bit), I wouldn't be too concerned. After all, it is at least 5 years old, probably outside all that time and, as you wrote, near the coast (salt air).
Johndeere3720 went in to a lot more detail about things to check (reckon I assumed you were more familar with tractors) and those things should be checked.
How about the 4400 you'd written about? Still available?

Good luck and buy a GOOD tractor!

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

I would be turned off by the fact it is a former rental. Sorry. Not enough of a great deal and I'd recommend you be really mechanical. These things can be torn up, especially in the hands of a renter.

 

[RoyJackson]

So, I wonder how Ducks13 made out with that 4410?

 

[Johndeere3720]

So, I wonder how Ducks13 made out with that 4410?

I am curious myself. I have a feeling we will be hearing back from him soon, hopefully with pictures. :thumbsup:

 

[ducks13]

That's right, I carried it home last night. Pictures (and questions) will be coming soon.

 

[RoyJackson]

That's right, I carried it home last night. Pictures (and questions) will be coming soon.

Good for you!
While you're swapping the left tire around, you might want to consider a side to side swap (unless your wheels rims are adjustable) to widen the rear wheel track. That will give you more stability.
Also, don't forget those tires are directional and there should be an arrow on the sidewalls indicating the correct direction.

 

[beppington]

They mount the pivot tire reversed like that for sharp left-hand turns.




(only kidding of course)

 

[ducks13]

Hi guys,
For the $13,500 I paid I didn't expect it to be in perfect condition. I am pretty mechanical, made a living at it for 5 or 10 years. The main thing wrong with it is that most of the electrics don't work, no lights, turn signals etc. I'd think it will be a pretty minor issue but we will have to see. The only other thing I see wrong with it, beside that stupid tire, is a lot of weathering from being outside.
I was pretty anxious to get something, I've been looking for several months and oh, I have 20 yards of compost in a pile in my front yard. It has been making my back hurt just looking at it ever since I had it delivered 3 or 4 weeks ago. I planned on going and buying a 955 (for about half the money) that was missing a PTO shaft and no doubt some of the innards but he had just sold it so I致e really been looking hard. Went to the Deere store and took a look at a 2520 before I decided I壇 take the 4410. It is what I think I really need/want but I hate paying new prices, they wanted 16K for it with a 200cx, and then there would have been another grand for sales tax and I just can稚 stand to send much more money to politician. I guess I am more fortunate than a lot of you guys in that I could have driven off with a 25 or 2720 from the dealer without having to wait for it to come in. There seems to be a lot of demand for Deere 4WD hydros W/loaders around her, there have been several CL ads the last week or two, looking to take over payments or selling their 455 with loader so they could get the 4WD etc. I am probably more willing to take on something that will need a little work than most guys. I think the 4410 will do fine for the major landscaping I want to do on my wooded 2 acres. In the meantime I keep an eye out for that 20 or 30 series that has just a little of the new worn off.
If anyone has an idea about the lights, a fuse or circuit breaker or fuse link to go to that would be great.
The tire I think just needs to be replaced, it looks old and hard. I think the rears are already in the wide position if they have one but since you mentioned it Roy I was looking at the pictures and it looks like the fronts can be swapped for a wider track, am I correct?
The loader hydraulic lines have obviously been hitting the front tire until they bungeed them out of the way. The PO said it was because of the amour kit but I sure Deere had a better solution than the bungee, anyone know what is missing?
Speaking of the armor kit, should parts of it guarding the lines be held on with hose clamps? I didn稚 see any armor on the bottom but I may not know what I am looking for.

 

[RoyJackson]

If anyone has an idea about the lights, a fuse or circuit breaker or fuse link to go to that would be great.
The tire I think just needs to be replaced, it looks old and hard. I think the rears are already in the wide position if they have one but since you mentioned it Roy I was looking at the pictures and it looks like the fronts can be swapped for a wider track, am I correct?.

You can check the fuses and such. I hope that's all it is. All the other electrics work (gages, etc)?

Right off the bat, I strongly suggest you buy the Service Manual!! You're going to need it, I think. And, get the Deere manual....those aftermarket manuals suck. I hope the Operator's Manual came with tractor. That's still on the Deere website (not downloadable, but you can read it). Here's a link to it.
You did check all the hydraulics, PTO operation and such, right? You can get by without lights, but not the loader or PTO.

As far as the rear tire, "Old and hard" doesn't necessarily mean bad. Tractor tires have pretty stiff sidewalls, so you may be mistaking that for something else. Tires aren't cheap, by any means.

As far as swapping the fronts, there's controversy about that. The front axle does pivot at the centerline, so you won't see much improvement in stability. I did swap my fronts on my old 790 and there seemed to be an improvement...but that might have been more psychological then any thing else.
BTW, you wrote the rears were already as wide as they can go...it doesn't look like that in the first pictures you posted. It looks like those tires are still pretty close to the fenders (you should have 3.5 to 4 inches between the sidewall and fender...looks like you have an inch).

As far as the armor kit there should be a shield at the quick disconnects and another one, IIRC. Seems to me there was a skid pan too (under the engine).

Anyway, get the manuals (read the online manual while you're waiting), change all the fluids and filters.