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   / 4707 #71  
These tractors have no regens. The 4707 has no SCR...only a DOC which us essentially a catalytic converter.

oops, thought that's what SCR was, something catalytic something. Instead it's SCR that uses DEF, sorry finally looked it up...:rolleyes:
any tractor that uses DEF fluid does not do regens, correct..., and most tractors that don't use DEF over a certain hp need to do regens.

9 thousand dollar jump from 70 to 80hp model, must be a lot more expensive to build the larger hp emissions control. Or perhaps more stringent requirements.

dealer called late yesterday, while the steering pump psi was ok, it still didn't work right so they replaced a gear in the steering pump, and they said that totally cured the notchiness. :thumbsup:
 
   / 4707 #72  
To my knowledge if a system has a DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter) it will do regens to clean the soot from the DPF.
Most systems with a DPF also have a SCR which uses DEF.
DOC (Diesel Oxidation Catalyst) converters consist of a monolith honeycomb substrate coated with platinum group metal catalyst, packaged in a stainless steel container. The honeycomb structure with many small parallel channels presents a high catalytic contact area to exhaust gasses. As the hot gases contact the catalyst, several exhaust pollutants are converted into harmless substances: carbon dioxide and water.

I found this which may help.
What is Selective Catalytic Reduction?

Selective Catalytic Reduction (SCR) is an advanced active emissions control technology system that injects a liquid-reductant agent through a special catalyst into the exhaust stream of a diesel engine. The reductant source is usually automotive-grade urea, otherwise known as Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF). The DEF sets off a chemical reaction that converts nitrogen oxides into nitrogen, water and tiny amounts of carbon dioxide (CO2), natural components of the air we breathe, which is then expelled through the vehicle tailpipe.

SCR technology is designed to permit nitrogen oxide (NOx) reduction reactions to take place in an oxidizing atmosphere. It is called "selective" because it reduces levels of NOx using ammonia as a reductant within a catalyst system. The chemical reaction is known as "reduction" where the DEF is the reducing agent that reacts with NOx to convert the pollutants into nitrogen, water and tiny amounts of CO2. The DEF can be rapidly broken down to produce the oxidizing ammonia in the exhaust stream. SCR technology alone can achieve NOx reductions up to 90 percent.

SCR system

*Schematic is not representative of all manufacturers' approach to achieve near zero emissions.
Why is SCR important?

SCR technology is one of the most cost-effective and fuel-efficient technologies available to help reduce diesel engine emissions. All heavy-duty diesel truck engines produced after January 1, 2010 must meet the latest EPA emissions standards, among the most stringent in the world, reducing particulate matter (PM) and nitrogen oxides (NOx) to near zero levels. SCR can reduce NOx emissions up to 90 percent while simultaneously reducing HC and CO emissions by 50-90 percent, and PM emissions by 30-50 percent. SCR systems can also be combined with a diesel particulate filter to achieve even greater emission reductions for PM. In the commercial trucking industry, some SCR-equipped truck operators are reporting fuel economy gains of 3-5 percent. Additionally, off-road equipment, including construction and agricultural equipment, must meet EPA's Tier 4 emissions standards requiring similar reductions in NOx, PM and other pollutants.
Where is SCR used?

SCR has been used for decades to reduce stationary source emissions. In addition, marine vessels worldwide have been equipped with SCR technology, including cargo vessels, ferries and tugboats. With its superior return in both economic and environmental benefits, SCR is also being recognized as the emissions control technology particularly helpful in meeting the U.S. EPA 2010 diesel engine emission standards for heavy-duty vehicles and the Tier 4 emissions standard for engines found in off-road equipment. SCR systems are also found in the growing number of diesel passenger vehicles.
What are the special considerations of using SCR?

One unique aspect of a vehicle or machine with an SCR system is the need for replenishing Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) on a periodic basis. DEF is carried in an onboard tank which must be periodically replenished by the operator based on vehicle operation. For light-duty vehicles, DEF refill intervals typically occur around the time of a recommended oil change, while DEF replenishment for heavy-duty vehicles and off-road machines and equipment will vary depending on the operating conditions, hours used, miles traveled, load factors and other considerations.

DEF is an integral part of the emissions control system and must be present in the tank at all times to assure continued operation of the vehicle or equipment. Low DEF supply triggers a series of escalating visual and audible indicators to the driver or operator. Once the tank reaches a certain level near empty, the starting system may be locked out the next time the vehicle is used, preventing the vehicle from being started without adequate DEF. A nationwide DEF distribution infrastructure has rapidly expanded to meet the needs of a growing SCR technology marketplace.

On-board tanks to store DEF are typically located in the spare tire area of passenger vehicles, while tractor trailers typically have a DEF tank alongside the diesel fuel saddle tank. Proper storage of DEF is required to prevent the liquid from freezing at temperatures below 12 degrees Fahrenheit, and most vehicle DEF dispensing systems have warming devices.
What is DEF?

Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) is a non-toxic fluid composed of purified water and automotive grade aqueous urea. DEF is available with a variety of storage and dispensing methods. Storage options consist of various size containers such as bulk, totes and bottles or jugs. The American Petroleum Institute rigorously tests DEF to ensure that it meets industry-wide quality standards.

DEF is available for purchasing at various locations like truck stops, truck dealerships and engine distributors which can be located using one of the below links. DEF tanks range in size from 6 to 23 gallons depending on the truck's application. The DEF tank fill opening is designed to accommodate a DEF fill nozzle to ensure only DEF is put into the tank. A diesel fuel nozzle will not fit into the DEF tank opening.

Some systems will have only a DOC,
If it uses DEF it usually will have a DPF which gets regens and a SCR which gets DEF.
 
   / 4707 #73  
thanks, sure have learned something here
 
   / 4707 #74  
It can be confusing and it certainly seems to be overly complicated quite often,
to me the easiest way to look at the DOC's which seem to be the simplest is that they are about like the catalytic converter on our cars and trucks years ago. Every thing else just adds complications.
 
   / 4707 #75  
got my tractor back yesterday before the storms come today.
hydraulic top link installed plus rear camera system. Glad they put camera on super strong magnets, not sure why putting the camera off to one side makes sense, I'm moving back to the middle. Thankfully they said they left lots of extra cable inside. This is the least expensive of Agco's three approved camera system. Which I'm sure means I paid twice too much for it, but then they waived the install labor on it so I'm sure not going to complain. They also installed the camera lower in the cab than I would have liked. I have to fuss with it to get it dialed in. Camera comes with useless remote control with tons of functions that aren't even used. I adjusted one setting, to make it brighter, gosh nice I can do that with a remote control but talk about answering a question no one asked. Completely unnecessary complexity. Maybe it's a guy and his remotes thing...;)
 

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   / 4707 #76  
Hey Dave, how do you like your grapple by tomahawk? They seem reasonably priced & nice American made & reasonably priced. I think I知 going to order the same one, 72 HD double cylinder type once my 4707 shows up (hopefully later this week) have you dug much with it? Just curious for clearing some shrubby area and small trees. Manufacturer says should be fine.

Do you know much about when the steering pump change started to make steering less notchy? Mine was built in July this year per the info on it.

Also, how did you unload the grapple from the truck that brought it? Just curious if they did lift gate or forks or what.

You still loving the 4707? Did I see something about the heat or ac having issues? Maybe it was the AC and you can turn a hot water heat valve in the summer.
 
   / 4707 #77  
got my tractor back yesterday before the storms come today.
hydraulic top link installed plus rear camera system. Glad they put camera on super strong magnets, not sure why putting the camera off to one side makes sense, I'm moving back to the middle. Thankfully they said they left lots of extra cable inside. This is the least expensive of Agco's three approved camera system. Which I'm sure means I paid twice too much for it, but then they waived the install labor on it so I'm sure not going to complain. They also installed the camera lower in the cab than I would have liked. I have to fuss with it to get it dialed in. Camera comes with useless remote control with tons of functions that aren't even used. I adjusted one setting, to make it brighter, gosh nice I can do that with a remote control but talk about answering a question no one asked. Completely unnecessary complexity. Maybe it's a guy and his remotes thing...;)

Just curious how easy it is to adjust the hydro top link when hooking up different implements..or do you only use it with certain implements like a box scrape.
 
   / 4707 #78  
That's a reflection on the dealer. My unit was manufactured after the correction so I dont have an issue. My dealer had an older stock unit on the lot that they fixed before it was sold

Hey I meant to copy you so you壇 see a message I left with some questions. Thanks
 
   / 4707 #79  
Hey Dave, how do you like your grapple by tomahawk? They seem reasonably priced & nice American made & reasonably priced. I think I知 going to order the same one, 72 HD double cylinder type once my 4707 shows up (hopefully later this week) have you dug much with it? Just curious for clearing some shrubby area and small trees. Manufacturer says should be fine.

Do you know much about when the steering pump change started to make steering less notchy? Mine was built in July this year per the info on it.

Also, how did you unload the grapple from the truck that brought it? Just curious if they did lift gate or forks or what.

You still loving the 4707? Did I see something about the heat or ac having issues? Maybe it was the AC and you can turn a hot water heat valve in the summer.
The grapple is excellent. Built with 1/2" steel. Its does fine digging and happy with quality and would buy another. I picked it up at a dealer in Pa, so I dont know how they are delivered. I bought a set of forks at the same time.

The steering issue they had we should be good on. Mine was built in July also. The AC/Heat complaint was that the temp control dial was too stiff. It doesn't bother me. So far, I absolutely love my 4707.
 
   / 4707 #80  
Just curious how easy it is to adjust the hydro top link when hooking up different implements..or do you only use it with certain implements like a box scrape.

this is my second one and I really like having it, particularly with a mix of Cat 1 and 2 implements.
Seems like every implement I would get would need the link adjusted all the way the other way...now I just push a lever.
I haven't gotten the bill on this yet, will be interesting to see what that cylinder costs.

My tractor was built in July of last year also.
 

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