4707

[redman135]

If I had to do this over again, based on how the R1's are tearing up my fields, I'd order my tractor
with R4's, or this very interesting new hybrid tire.
Product

I run a disc and a big rototiller, the grip of the R1's is fantastic but I'd rather have less property damage.

In post #136 there is a picture of a tyre that was also mentioned in an article in " Profi" (farmers magazine,Sept or Oct 2018) and the user said the tyre offered excellent wear under high road use and still delivered traction similar to the R1's. These tractors are in the 150- 200 hp range on 38" or 42" rims harvesting potatoes reguardless of the weather.

 

[daugen]

I've looked through the online Nokian catalog, and if that tire had been offered as an option, you bet.
There is substantial cost here, not only taking off and reinstalling these large tires, but also the beating one takes on a trade.
For over 30 years I have been taking off new oem cheap tires and putting on the best Tirerack.com rated, usually Michelins.
I always received 50 percent of the value of the old tire (per tirerack pricing) applied to the cost of new. On tires this expensive,
that has to be a lot of money. I'm thinking that swapping out all four tires now after delivery would cost thousands of dollars.

 

[daugen]

shop called, factory tech out, recalibrated the hydraulic clutches so they wouldn't grab in neutral.
Apparently this has happened with others, was a known issue. ++
Seems like they should be catching this stuff before it gets out in the field by now, three years into production,
but then my 4 year old Ram truck keeps getting reflashed and hauled in for recalls so
why should tractors be different. Of course, we'd like them to be stone reliable...

I'm headed there tomorrow morning to sit in the seat while they adjust the camera system to my liking.
Their first attempt was most unsuccessful. Now they are mounting it where it belongs, but still issues of angling monitor.
been raining all day, no rush to get it back home, fields are mud.

Now if I were a teenager....I'd see those muddy fields, and go get the 4707 with those big tires and throw her in 4wd and pull
a disc through the mud. And I really think those tires would do it. Whether I stalled the tractor is another thing. If I hear an engine under load pull down I immediately get off the gas. Rarely happens, Kubotas have anti-stall electronics, others likely do.
But when one really wants to get a little mud on the tires...:dance1:

and then all the powerwashing to clean it up....

++ might be regional, very humid here, might not happen in Arizona

 

[Turbys_1700]

Changing out tires are a costly venture on tractors to say the least. I am too old to do it anymore but did when younger. The last rear set I put on my old 4610 was purchased off Ebay and installed by a local guy that has been doing this type of work for over 30 years. I saved a lot of coin but I still yet need to dispose of the old ones. Don't see how you will come out for a reasonable cost getting new ones.

 

[daugen]

Don't see how you will come out for a reasonable cost getting new ones.

I surely do agree with you, thanks

 

[CHF4]

I’ve noticed with my 4707 that sometimes it will act like it slips or misses a gear going forward with a bang. (I have 6? Hrs on it, had 2 when it arrived. I love it.
I was backing up a slight grade and it seemed to do it a little more. Anyone have an idea on this? It’s been so wet in nc I haven’t run it but so much..

Here is a pic the first night using it. I prefer the forks now though with the round bale. The 3pt doesn’t go down quite as much as our older dk40.

 

[LouNY]

While going thrui the Farm Show this week they had a couple of Massey displays,
nice looking tractors.
What disappointed me was so many of them you could not have chained the rears up,
there was not enough fender clearance to the outside of the tires.
Many of them there was only an inch or two especially in the front of the rear tires.
I know when I was looking for my last tractor chain clearance was one of the points I had a go no-go
if it couldn't run chains it got dropped off my list.
Our NH6050 and Puma 125 we can't put chains on the fuel tank side of the rears so at best they are a 3 chain tractor.
A person would have to go too a shorter tire on many tractors to have adequate chain clearance.

 

[CHF4]

While going thrui the Farm Show this week they had a couple of Massey displays,
nice looking tractors.
What disappointed me was so many of them you could not have chained the rears up,
there was not enough fender clearance to the outside of the tires.
Many of them there was only an inch or two especially in the front of the rear tires.
I know when I was looking for my last tractor chain clearance was one of the points I had a go no-go
if it couldn't run chains it got dropped off my list.
Our NH6050 and Puma 125 we can't put chains on the fuel tank side of the rears so at best they are a 3 chain tractor.
A person would have to go too a shorter tire on many tractors to have adequate chain clearance.

How much clearance do you like/need for chains? That’s not something around me which is an issue. I had them switch the 34s to the 30s, and there is more clearance. We don’t get much snow around here, I’m assuming that’s why you want/need the clearance.

I wonder if tractor companies have suggestion email boxes..

 

[LouNY]

How much clearance do you like/need for chains? That’s not something around me which is an issue. I had them switch the 34s to the 30s, and there is more clearance. We don’t get much snow around here, I’m assuming that’s why you want/need the clearance.

I wonder if tractor companies have suggestion email boxes..

I like 3" or more and figure 2" as a bear minimum.
Yes it's for snow and ice. A great many tractors would need to have the tires downsized.
From the compacts to the large ones.

 

[Bigpuddie]

While going thrui the Farm Show this week they had a couple of Massey displays,
nice looking tractors.
What disappointed me was so many of them you could not have chained the rears up,
there was not enough fender clearance to the outside of the tires.
Many of them there was only an inch or two especially in the front of the rear tires.
I know when I was looking for my last tractor chain clearance was one of the points I had a go no-go
if it couldn't run chains it got dropped off my list.
Our NH6050 and Puma 125 we can't put chains on the fuel tank side of the rears so at best they are a 3 chain tractor.
A person would have to go too a shorter tire on many tractors to have adequate chain clearance.

The 4707 comes with 30 inch tires instead of the 34 inch. No clearance issue.

 

[LouNY]

The 4707 comes with 30 inch tires instead of the 34 inch. No clearance issue.

I had heard that and read it. Because of threads here on the 4707 I purposely looked at them.
They had a 4707 and a 4710 cab and a 4707 open station both of the cabed ones had the 34's
on them, the open station did have the 30's.

 

[Bigpuddie]

I had heard that and read it. Because of threads here on the 4707 I purposely looked at them.
They had a 4707 and a 4710 cab and a 4707 open station both of the cabed ones had the 34's
on them, the open station did have the 30's.

According to my dealer, MM Weaver, any 4707 with 34 in tires is improperly specd per MF. The recommended tire is the 30" because the 4707 has the least horsepower in the 4700 series and with lack power in the highest gears. The 4708, 4709, and 4710 can handle the 34 tire fine

 

[CHF4]

According to my dealer, MM Weaver, any 4707 with 34 in tires is improperly specd per MF. The recommended tire is the 30" because the 4707 has the least horsepower in the 4700 series and with lack power in the highest gears. The 4708, 4709, and 4710 can handle the 34 tire fine

I think I mentioned my 4707 came with 34s, and a 4708 had 30s, so I had them switched.

Also, you all may know this already, as I was confused when posting previously, the ride control is an option.

I’m trying to get used to the diverter- I’m not a fan personally compared to the full 3rd function with toggle switch.

 

[daugen]

According to my dealer, MM Weaver, any 4707 with 34 in tires is improperly specd per MF. The recommended tire is the 30" because the 4707 has the least horsepower in the 4700 series and with lack power in the highest gears. The 4708, 4709, and 4710 can handle the 34 tire fine

yup, try starting this tractor in high range and too high a gear and what a clattering and groaning, almost stalling it made.
I don't go fast on the road so for me who cares.

The 4707 saves a huge amount of money over the 4708 and otherwise gave me all the features I wanted. Dealer said serious ag customers would want the 4708 and above for running balers, etc.

I find when starting in higher gears I put in neutral first and then engage with powershift lever, not pushbutton clutch on shifter.
Latter bangs into gear, powershift gradually eases in.

Dealer was able to adjust rear tires further out, I know because they scratched the wheel paint doing it, so with 30's on the rear with wheels adjusted out, I would think snow chains would have no problem, but I have little experience here.
I remember that putting chains on an ancient JD B as a kid in an ice cold barn was just about the worst, most frustrating job. They always seemed to sag somewhere...and that chain sure doesn't stretch very well trying to get the hook on.

what is nice to know is that any 4707 owner with complaints over power can spend two grand and jack it up to 100hp. Not under warranty, but if you need it, nice to know you can have it.

 

[LouNY]

According to my dealer, MM Weaver, any 4707 with 34 in tires is improperly specd per MF. The recommended tire is the 30" because the 4707 has the least horsepower in the 4700 series and with lack power in the highest gears. The 4708, 4709, and 4710 can handle the 34 tire fine

yup, try starting this tractor in high range and too high a gear and what a clattering and groaning, almost stalling it made.

I don't know of any geared tractor that can start off in it's highest gear.
Thats goes for Allis Chalmer WD's thru INH1086 and 7230 Magnums and includes my Branson 8050.
My Branson in high range (C) start out in first get it rolling good then using the foot clutch pedal go up thru the gears, going down the same way on grades that it woun't pull in 4th. That foot clutch is very much like your 4707s foot pedal in that it is not a linkage to a clutch disc but a command to the shuttle clutch packs.
The power shift transmissions are similar starting out in maybe 12th and shifting up thru the gears or down as the loads dictate.

 

[daugen]

Lou I think it was in 7th or 8th on a relatively cold engine without enough rpms. Complete operator error, but still a wake up call to me.
I don't mind the occasional shifting but my experience so far has been poor by using the pushbutton approach. I'm sure if I used the floor clutch
it would be smoother, like you say.

Will be interesting to drive it now that the factory rep has "recalibrated" the trans/clutch packs, which in my case were grabbing slightly
in neutral.

Camera monitor now mounted on right door tubular bar and camera now in center of tractor. Dealer also repainted areas they scratched prior to delivery. Hope to get it back on Tuesday, so much rain here.

 

[Bigpuddie]

Lou I think it was in 7th or 8th on a relatively cold engine without enough rpms. Complete operator error, but still a wake up call to me.
I don't mind the occasional shifting but my experience so far has been poor by using the pushbutton approach. I'm sure if I used the floor clutch
it would be smoother, like you say.

Will be interesting to drive it now that the factory rep has "recalibrated" the trans/clutch packs, which in my case were grabbing slightly
in neutral.

Camera monitor now mounted on right door tubular bar and camera now in center of tractor. Dealer also repainted areas they scratched prior to delivery. Hope to get it back on Tuesday, so much rain here.

I mounted my camera monitor with Ram mounts. They work awesome.

 

[daugen]

I mounted my camera monitor with Ram mounts. They work awesome. View attachment 593264View attachment 593266

nicer mount and bigger screen than mine, same attachment point

 

[CHF4]

Re tires I forgot about the poultry version... I did see this once. I know I asked an agco rep who didn’t mention it last fall when asking about R4 tires if they were available.. They just told me that no-one ever wanted R4s so it wasn’t an option on this size tractor.

No telling what the cost would be at this point. Maybe rim is same size up front? Back looks smaller? Probably cheaper to try buying those other tires though I’m sure they wouldn’t tread as easily as these. I wonder if cab weight would be an issue with these tires.
I don’t pull super heavy equipment nor deal with much snow- hind sight wish I had remembered about these and pushed dealer to find out.

 

[CHF4]

Re tires I forgot about the poultry version... I did see this once. I know I asked an agco rep who didn’t mention it last fall when asking about R4 tires if they were available.. They just told me that no-one ever wanted R4s so it wasn’t an option on this size tractor.

No telling what the cost would be at this point. Maybe rim is same size up front? Back looks smaller? Probably cheaper to try buying those other tires though I’m sure they wouldn’t tread as easily as these. I wonder if cab weight would be an issue with these tires.
I don’t pull super heavy equipment nor deal with much snow- hind sight wish I had remembered about these and pushed dealer to find out.



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Never mind- both rims are looking smaller. Definitely different.