Oil & Fuel 50 hr. HST filter cut open off B2650

   / 50 hr. HST filter cut open off B2650 #11  
All the gears and other internal rear end stuff is being lap'd/worn in... You probably had a grey film of fine metal particles [ and maybe bigger stuff ] that you found on your sump screen. The smaller stuff that the screen let thru is probably what you are seeing in the filter. If you see it after the first couple times, I would worry... but what you found is probably normal.
 
   / 50 hr. HST filter cut open off B2650 #12  
I also reread and realized it was in the filter only. I didn't cut mine open but I would say that's normal.
 
   / 50 hr. HST filter cut open off B2650
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Thanks guys for all your comments as they make me feel a whole lot better about this . I am going to put a few more hours on the tractor and then change both filters and fluid just to make me feel even better if nothing else . I will be curious to see what the hst filter will look like next time and the hyd. filter as well . Like I mentioned before the oil on the dip stick is so clean looking I can't see it ,I have to put my finger on the dip stick to see if it's even there .

I remember changing the 2 hyd. filters on my M5700 and I couldn't believe how dirty they was . I didn't cut them open but I could actually tell a big difference in performance and in the operation of the tractor and the hyd. shuttle shift after replacing them along with new fluid .
 
   / 50 hr. HST filter cut open off B2650 #14  
Oops! Me too. Thinking that was your HST oil not just inside the filter.
 
   / 50 hr. HST filter cut open off B2650 #15  
Perhaps given the first service would be subject to factory manufacturing oils, etc. maybe it should be done earlier than suggested to be on the safe side?? Sounds like the filter is doing its job but I think I will do my first change earlier to be safe
 
   / 50 hr. HST filter cut open off B2650 #16  
My new tractor looked like this at the first 50 hour change also. This why I just shake my head at all the people that only change filters and not the hydraulic oil at that first 50 hour service. Crazy.
 
   / 50 hr. HST filter cut open off B2650 #17  
Hydrostats and hydraulics hate dirt and contaminants of any kind. Change the oil!!
 
   / 50 hr. HST filter cut open off B2650 #18  
The dirty fluid he's showing is what came out of the pre-filter side of the cut open filter. That is not indicative of what's circulating through the system. So if you want to be paranoid, at least base it on a proper sample.

On both my Kubotas, I have had plenty of chances to see the hydraulic fluid before and after the 50 hour service when changing filters and adding valves, hoses, etc to the hydraulic system. And I see a spurt of fluid every time I disconnect hoses for my rear remotes. The working fluid has always been crystal clear, regardless of the gray gook I saw on the filter magnets during the 50 hour service. What you see inside a filter, on a magnetic ring, or at the bottom of a pan on the plug is not indicative of what's circulating through the system. It just means these countermeasures did their job to remove contaminants from the working fluid.

I am all for proactive maintenance, but it should be based on sound reasoning and not paranoia. I have yet to use a hydraulic machine that needs fluid changed at the early equivalent of 50 hours. It's pretty much unheard of. It's darn near impractical for larger machinery with many dozens of gallons of fluid. At 50 hours, these machines will be out in the field and barely even have dirt on their floormats. They aren't going to get hauled in for a full fluid change so early.

I think there is an urge to treat some of our tractors like garage-kept homeowner toys, but Kubota's 400 hour hydraulic fluid change is inline with what's typical for tractors and heavy equipment. These *are* tractors. You can bet the maintenance schedule in the owner's manual is based on practical operational experience.
 
   / 50 hr. HST filter cut open off B2650 #19  
The dirty fluid he's showing is what came out of the pre-filter side of the cut open filter. That is not indicative of what's circulating through the system. So if you want to be paranoid, at least base it on a proper sample. On both my Kubotas, I have had plenty of chances to see the hydraulic fluid before and after the 50 hour service when changing filters and adding valves, hoses, etc to the hydraulic system. And I see a spurt of fluid every time I disconnect hoses for my rear remotes. The working fluid has always been crystal clear, regardless of the gray gook I saw on the filter magnets during the 50 hour service. What you see inside a filter, on a magnetic ring, or at the bottom of a pan on the plug is not indicative of what's circulating through the system. It just means these countermeasures did their job to remove contaminants from the working fluid. I am all for proactive maintenance, but it should be based on sound reasoning and not paranoia. I have yet to use a hydraulic machine that needs fluid changed at the early equivalent of 50 hours. It's pretty much unheard of. It's darn near impractical for larger machinery with many dozens of gallons of fluid. At 50 hours, these machines will be out in the field and barely even have dirt on their floormats. They aren't going to get hauled in for a full fluid change so early. I think there is an urge to treat some of our tractors like garage-kept homeowner toys, but Kubota's 400 hour hydraulic fluid change is inline with what's typical for tractors and heavy equipment. These *are* tractors. You can bet the maintenance schedule in the owner's manual is based on practical operational experience.
Well stated.
 
   / 50 hr. HST filter cut open off B2650 #20  
The dirty fluid he's showing is what came out of the pre-filter side of the cut open filter. That is not indicative of what's circulating through the system. So if you want to be paranoid, at least base it on a proper sample.

On both my Kubotas, I have had plenty of chances to see the hydraulic fluid before and after the 50 hour service when changing filters and adding valves, hoses, etc to the hydraulic system. And I see a spurt of fluid every time I disconnect hoses for my rear remotes. The working fluid has always been crystal clear, regardless of the gray gook I saw on the filter magnets during the 50 hour service. What you see inside a filter, on a magnetic ring, or at the bottom of a pan on the plug is not indicative of what's circulating through the system. It just means these countermeasures did their job to remove contaminants from the working fluid.

I am all for proactive maintenance, but it should be based on sound reasoning and not paranoia. I have yet to use a hydraulic machine that needs fluid changed at the early equivalent of 50 hours. It's pretty much unheard of. It's darn near impractical for larger machinery with many dozens of gallons of fluid. At 50 hours, these machines will be out in the field and barely even have dirt on their floormats. They aren't going to get hauled in for a full fluid change so early.

I think there is an urge to treat some of our tractors like garage-kept homeowner toys, but Kubota's 400 hour hydraulic fluid change is inline with what's typical for tractors and heavy equipment. These *are* tractors. You can bet the maintenance schedule in the owner's manual is based on practical operational experience.

Well stated.

Stores often times have the same item in a different package for more money for "those" that believe they have to pay more for it to be worth anything. I see the same mentality here often. Let them spend more so they can "feel" better about their product. Logic and reason has nothing to do with "feeling" better. As a Counselor for over 40 years it's just easier to say " And how does that make you feel". ;)
 

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