5083E Running Duals?

[AGGIE00]

I can do that??? I was almost positive it was the exact same block and frame, just different fueling for the HP. I'm gonna cross my fingers and hope that my dealer is willing enought to do that! It would be so much easier than buying another tractor or trying to figure out something else like NOS or propane injection!

Good Luck!!! It is the same tractor as the 5101e except for hp output and tire size. The problem You will and I have run into is emissions. My dealer said it is absolutely possible and they would absolutely NOT do it. The fuel is controlled electronically, but I have yet to find a chip/programmer for it. If it was common rail no problem. I have thought of everything you have as far as dualls and horsepower and ultimately I will figure out the horsepower idea and larger tires when these wear out. Do you have firestones, cuz the goodyears on my 2012 are way better than the firestones were on the 2010?

 

[RollTideRam]

Just get a smaller disc. Not as much fun, but may work easier.

 

[500hp2500]

you can turn the fuel up on your tractor but there goes your warrenty and the 5101 and 5083 have completly different engines. and you have too much disk for your tractor you are eventually going to braek somthing. we pull a 18ft disk with a 345hp tractor

 

[AGGIE00]

you can turn the fuel up on your tractor but there goes your warrenty and the 5101 and 5083 have completly different engines. and you have too much disk for your tractor you are eventually going to braek somthing. we pull a 18ft disk with a 345hp tractor

How are they completely different engines. Same 4045, turbo and injection pump. I've gone over this with my Deere service manager over and over and they are the same. I hope he and I aren't mistaken. As a matter of fact the 6000 series has the same size engine, just different injection system and other items to get rid of the heat.

 

[Edward. S]

How are they completely different engines. Same 4045, turbo and injection pump. I've gone over this with my Deere service manager over and over and they are the same. I hope he and I aren't mistaken. As a matter of fact the 6000 series has the same size engine, just different injection system and other items to get rid of the heat.

I believe the 5E/M 5083/93 5085/95 use a Powertech M and the 5101E/5105M use a Powertech E and the 62/63/6430 standards use a Powertech E and the Premiums use a Powertech Plus.

 

[Tx Jim]

How are they completely different engines. Same 4045, turbo and injection pump. I've gone over this with my Deere service manager over and over and they are the same. I hope he and I aren't mistaken. As a matter of fact the 6000 series has the same size engine, just different injection system and other items to get rid of the heat.

Aggie
How do you explain the differences in short block part #s if the 2 models share the exact same engines?????? I can tell you from experience that just because the engines share the same cid/L size doesn't mean they are the same engine. If the JD service didn't prove your statement as incorrect then he's not a responsible service manager. I'm speaking as a former JD service manager from years gone by. Plus I had a brother that was an AGGIE
6415 RE520377 Short Block Assembly
5083E RE516102 Short Block Assembly

 

[CinderSchnauzer]

After reading this the most obvious solution that jumps out to me is this:

Give it a try pulling the disc - If it works - OK

If it does not work - "Sorry Dad - tractor will not pull the disc"

End of story. Much $$$$ saved.

 

[MattLynch]

I don't think you will have any problem at all pulling the disks. Manufacturers tell dealers not to re-rate engines, otherwise who would pay and extra 10 grand for the extra power when they could get it for a few hundred. The 5083 and 5101 are the same other then tires. It is common practice to re-rate truck engines with the same engine but often the power rating is matched to the drivetrain.

I was in my local Massey dealer a while ago while they were re-rating a 2660 HD from 60 to 80 pto hp. They simply used a pto dyno and adjusted fuel and possibly boost to match 2680 spec.

As others have said you should definitly try pulling the discs before making any changes, 83hp should be plenty for your discs. I pulled 15' discs with a 65 hp 2wd before I got my 5E.

 

[pjbci]

There is a difference between "pulling" a disk and actually "plowing" with it. An 80hp tractor will not do decent job with a 16ft disk. You will have to hold up the disk where it only scratches the surface and travel so slow that the dirt will not turn over.

I have a 14ft disc that I pull with a 105 pto hp tractor. My neighbor wanted to borrow it to pull behind his 70 hp tractor because it would "pull anything". When I asked him how it was working out he said it was pulling it just fine. Well I had to see this because that disk would load my 966 on the breaking pass. I went and watched him work. You could barely tell where he had run it. So, long story short, yes he was "pulling" it but no he was not "plowing" with it.

 

[RedNeckRacin]

Good Luck!!! It is the same tractor as the 5101e except for hp output and tire size. The problem You will and I have run into is emissions. My dealer said it is absolutely possible and they would absolutely NOT do it. The fuel is controlled electronically, but I have yet to find a chip/programmer for it. If it was common rail no problem. I have thought of everything you have as far as dualls and horsepower and ultimately I will figure out the horsepower idea and larger tires when these wear out. Do you have firestones, cuz the goodyears on my 2012 are way better than the firestones were on the 2010?

Def have the firestones. Are your goodyears radials or bias? I know the bias ply tires wear like **** on asphalt but the radials sort of act funny under heavy loading in the field I have been told.

There is a difference between "pulling" a disk and actually "plowing" with it. An 80hp tractor will not do decent job with a 16ft disk. You will have to hold up the disk where it only scratches the surface and travel so slow that the dirt will not turn over.

I have a 14ft disc that I pull with a 105 pto hp tractor. My neighbor wanted to borrow it to pull behind his 70 hp tractor because it would "pull anything". When I asked him how it was working out he said it was pulling it just fine. Well I had to see this because that disk would load my 966 on the breaking pass. I went and watched him work. You could barely tell where he had run it. So, long story short, yes he was "pulling" it but no he was not "plowing" with it.

Well I completely agree with that, the field is not plowed yet, it just has the corn residue from last year on it. So the theory my FIL had was that it would cut up alot of the garbage left over from last year to make the plowing alot easier. I'm going to try it tonight before it rains and makes it impossible. I tend to agree with everybody about needing a significatly larger tractor to pull them in an already plowed field. point taken.

I think I have pretty much given up on the duals idea as well.
I didn't really purchase the tractor with primary tillage in mind. My only big horsepower requirement was my MX 10 and mowing/baling hay. If the tractor decides it will cooperate and pull the disc, fantastic. If I bury the machine to the axles so be it. I can always use the transport wheels to give the disc some flotation. Or I suppose I could use the MX 10 to chop that stuff up instead.

I'm still intrigued about turning up the power. I may need to look into that a little bit more. I think some guages would come in extremely handy. EGT/Boost/Fuel pressure. I guess I should just learn to not be the guy in the family with the new tractor?