I guess it all depends on the discs. Mine are probably 40 years old and don't compare to anything new(but they do a pretty good job). I plow in the fall and disc in the spring also so that helps. Let us know how it works out!
5083E Running Duals?
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AGGIE00
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6415?????? I was talking about the 5101e. You really think it takes an entirely different engine design to get 18 additional hp? From what I understand, and you will probably correct me, the tractors are rated at x emissions based on hp. Add more fuel, increase hp, add emissions. The 5083e is designed and sold at x emissions and Deere can't change that after delivery. It seems as simple as my cummins that now produces 30% more hp with a chip and in turn more emissions and daddy government doesn't like that.
What does Aggie have to do with it?
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I think I remember quite well what a 3020 is/was... I sat on one for a number of years!
The transaxle assembly on the 3020 is heavier duty than the E series but I'd venture to argue that it's not any heavier than the 5000M series, however.
The diameter of the axle shaft and the size of the carrier bearings may be a whole different story, though. Worthy of additional study.
That said, I've seen other "utility" tractors with both rack and pinion axles and the hub axle configuration. Same tractor - same specifications - one for row crop adjustment is all.
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Thats right ... sink that disc to the hub and its a whole new ball game. If your simply discing up the corn stubble getting it ready for a bottom plow you'll pull it.
My 5520 pulls my 12' tandem disc just fine the first pass breaking the surface a couple inches, the second pass at 4-5 inches I start to loose traction and a third pass when I'm plowing near or at the disc hub even with 4x4 I really loose the traction and need to regulate the depth of the disc.
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6415 entered into my post from your post I quoted. Here I repost your quote.Originally Posted by AGGIE00 View Post
How are they completely different engines. Same 4045, turbo and injection pump. I've gone over this with my Deere service manager over and over and they are the same. I hope he and I aren't mistaken. As a matter of fact the 6000 series has the same size engine, just different injection system and other items to get rid of the heat.[end quote] Since you had Aggie in your handle I thought you had probably attended Texas A&M.
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Yes I am an Aggie, although I still don't know why that is relevant. The 5083 and 5101 both have the powertech 5045 engine. Your only example to me as to why they are different is a part number for a 6000 series engine. If they are different engines I would like to know, but everything I have found and been told is they are the same.
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OK this statement of yours is how the model 6000 entered into this thread and again I'll quote you[/quote]As a matter of fact the 6000 series has the same size engine, just different injection system and other items to get rid of the heat[/quote]. No you didn't state the 5083E & the 6000 shared the same identical engine but you inferred that they did and in fact they don't. I went back and read a prior statement of yours about the 5083 & 5101 engines being the same and yes that is correct. Here's a list of tractors that the engines interchange.
8713 - PowerTech 4.5L 4045TLV53 Engine (Worldwide Edition) - 13Dec10 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
9817 - 5101E Limited Tractor (North American Edition) - 16Mar12 ( FR ES )
9818 - 5083E Limited Tractor (North American Edition) - 19Mar12 ( FR ES )
9819 - 5093E Limited Tractor (Engine: 4045TLV54,4045TLV60) North American Edition - 16Mar12 ( FR ES )
9945 - 5083EN Tractor (North American Edition) - 16Mar12 ( FR ES )
9946 - 5093EN Tractor (North American Edition) - 16Mar12 ( FR ES )
9947 - 5101EN Tractor (North American Edition) - 20Mar12 ( FR ES )
As far as me mentioning the Aggie part it was because of a personal joke between my Aggie brother and I. If I offended you by mentioning Aggie please accept my apology.
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Well blue, you hit it spot on. I would def say my "little E" had her hands full. I'll do my best do describe things since i forgot my camera and was racing to beat the rain.... The fact that the fields were not freshly plowed but covered in packed dirt and corn stalks gave me some comfort actually.
I knew I was off to a good start when as soon as I hooked the hydraulics up I blew a line.
Great, I knew I should have just said no. Anyways, $60 and a new line plus 40 min wasted to run to town and back and I'm back in business. I racked all the wings back, picked up the disc, threw her in high range and I was off down the road to the first field. This was the driest field of the bunch. I figured if I couldn't pull it in the dry, I wasn't even going to try to wetter fields. SO that field is pretty small and is only a couple acres. Pulled into the field, dropped, the wings, and the disc, pointed her uphill (oh boy) and started out in B2 (I have a 4X3 with a power reverser, so midrange 2nd gear) Way to dam slow, about 3.6 mph, so I grabbed another gear to get closer to the 6-7 mph Im supposed to be getting. SO 4wd, B3, and 2400 rpm, (right around my pto mark), and she was straining but pulling, I was stepping on and off the diff lock to kind of help things. Now the only place I reallyhad any problem was a little bit of a soft spot, driving uphill, and the discs buried. It happened fast enough I almost stalled the tractor before I could lift the disc. What really stinks is the noticeable lag in the motor when trying to run the hydraulics while the motor is bogging, NOT A GOOD COMBO!The weird thing was how much a little grade difference made. Going uphill I had to feather the depth from time to time, Downhill, I could actually grab another gear!!! SO, I would never dream of trying to disc with a 16' transport disc in a freshly plowed field! I didn't have near enough tractor to handle the roughness of the field, or pull it at the speed that I needed to. Now I will say, I was impressed/depressed at how the tractor pulled. I never thought 83hp wasn't a big enough tractor. This was the first time I NEEDED more weight and more power to do what I wanted to do. I can only imagine how poorly this would have worked with worn out tires and an old, tired machine. I guess I should just stick to playing farmer instead of actual farming! :thumbsup:
One funny part about the pulling uphill, I found a WET spot, green grass in the middle of a field that was plowed last year. I started bumping the disc up before I got into it, Its not a good feeling with the tractor turning 2500rpm ,4wd and the DIff locked and you stop dead. Oh BABY! lol Thank god I could back down the hill and get a head of steam up for it.
So the short verison. the E pulled the discs. It was more than I should have put behind the tractor. Never would have worked in a plowed field. And, I found out the wings are coming off so we can make them a little more frield for my E and the 4020. Thanks for the input fellas!
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As a matter of fact the 6000 series has the same size engine, just different injection system and other items to get rid of the heat[/quote]. No you didn't state the 5083E & the 6000 shared the same identical engine but you inferred that they did and in fact they don't. I went back and read a prior statement of yours about the 5083 & 5101 engines being the same and yes that is correct. Here's a list of tractors that the engines interchange.
8713 - PowerTech 4.5L 4045TLV53 Engine (Worldwide Edition) - 13Dec10 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
9817 - 5101E Limited Tractor (North American Edition) - 16Mar12 ( FR ES )
9818 - 5083E Limited Tractor (North American Edition) - 19Mar12 ( FR ES )
9819 - 5093E Limited Tractor (Engine: 4045TLV54,4045TLV60) North American Edition - 16Mar12 ( FR ES )
9945 - 5083EN Tractor (North American Edition) - 16Mar12 ( FR ES )
9946 - 5093EN Tractor (North American Edition) - 16Mar12 ( FR ES )
9947 - 5101EN Tractor (North American Edition) - 20Mar12 ( FR ES )
As far as me mentioning the Aggie part it was because of a personal joke between my Aggie brother and I. If I offended you by mentioning Aggie please accept my apology.[/QUOTE]
First, I'm proud of being an Aggie so no offense taken, just didn't know where you were going with it. Second I thought I understood you and others as saying the 83 and 01 had different engines and my service rep didn't know what he was talking about. I did mention the 6000 series as having the 5045, but I thought I clarified that there were differences. I would be curious to know if the differences were are internal, or only having to do with heads and fuel system.
Back to the 5045 powertech. It should be safe to assume that getting over 100hp out of the engine can be safely done without overpowering the rest of the drivetrain. I'm of the belief that I can install larger tires, add weight, up the horsepower and have a tractor that can pull significantly more than what I can now without the 6000 dollar additional cost of the 5101.
Tx Jim
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JD didn't make a 5045 engine but they did make a 4045. I think you're going to end up drastically shortening the life of your tractor by substantially increasing the horsepower and trying to plow similar to a factory larger HP tractor.
I'll give you one small comparison of difference in parts of the rear axle size differences in your 5083E & a 6415
rear axle brg 5083E JD8946 inside Dimension 2.687 IN
rear axle brg 6415 AL156506 Inside Dimension 3.346 IN
No offense intended but did you ever hear the Aggie joke of how many Aggie's it took to "pop" Popcorn?
I'll give you one small comparison of difference in parts of the rear axle size differences in your 5083E & a 6415
rear axle brg 5083E JD8946 inside Dimension 2.687 IN
rear axle brg 6415 AL156506 Inside Dimension 3.346 IN
No offense intended but did you ever hear the Aggie joke of how many Aggie's it took to "pop" Popcorn?
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