58 MPG by 2032

[Deleted member 371759]

I thought I was overly paranoid because I disconnected the antennas. But you're definitely tipping over into foil hat territory. I don't think big tech cares that much about me.

Don't care. Done with this conversation. Enjoy your life and live it how you want. I will do the same. See ya.

 

[SUBSAILOR]

58 MPG​

Seeking to cut greenhouse gas emissions, the B i d e n administration has issued a proposal directing automakers to raise the fuel economy of their vehicles to a fleet-wide average of 58 miles per gallon by 2032. The proposed rules by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration would be applicable starting in model year 2027, while new fuel efficiency standards for heavy-duty pickup trucks and vans would rise 10% annually. The NHTSA also said it would try to align regulations with the Environmental Protection Agency's proposed vehicle emissions reductions. Many U.S. automakers are already in the middle of electrifying their fleets, but any changes could impact the plans of Ford (F), General Motors (GM) and Stellantis (STLA)

Simple fix don't vote the wrong way....and do vote!!

 

[jimux]

58 MPG​

Seeking to cut greenhouse gas emissions, the B i d e n administration has issued a proposal directing automakers to raise the fuel economy of their vehicles to a fleet-wide average of 58 miles per gallon by 2032. The proposed rules by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration would be applicable starting in model year 2027, while new fuel efficiency standards for heavy-duty pickup trucks and vans would rise 10% annually. The NHTSA also said it would try to align regulations with the Environmental Protection Agency's proposed vehicle emissions reductions. Many U.S. automakers are already in the middle of electrifying their fleets, but any changes could impact the plans of Ford (F), General Motors (GM) and Stellantis (STLA)

Oh please. The Biden plan is to kill the economy of the US. Why else would you bury any alternative to windmills and sun dried raisins? That is Trump you hear trying to save your freedom.

 

[jimux]

Why does not DC try this law: the US will be debt free by 2032. All it takes is the bill to be passed.

Guess I best be visiting the mountains all I want too before then. Uphill may not be optional.

Will your tractor run on beet juice? You think the used tractor market is bad now...wait till you recharge your digital credit for that electric tractor. Haha. Laughs on US.

 

[jimux]

The powers are trying to kill the largest economy in the world, in the name of global warming. Why else would they bury any alternatives in regulations...except for windmills and sun dried raisins?

 

[WinterDeere]

Give me a electric car that will let me anonymously travel and I may not be against the technology.

Lol... your life must be infinitely more interesting than mine, if you think anyone cares where you drive your car.

Today I dropped off yard waste, picked up compost and fertilizer, and then some flag stone. If anyone was watching, I feel terribly sorry for them.

 

[Deleted member 371759]

Lol... your life must be infinitely more interesting than mine, if you think anyone cares where you drive your car.

Today I dropped off yard waste, picked up compost and fertilizer, and then some flag stone. If anyone was watching, I feel terribly sorry for them.

No one was watching you. Except AI You are wildly unimportant to anyone that matters but they do love to mine your data and sell your personal information. I prefer to keep my information to myself and those I voluntarily share it with. You may be different but I'm not one of those "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to be worried about" people.What I do is none of anyones business.

 

[lman]

A few observations after scanning this entertaining thread:

1. Partisan politics appear to be the main form of entertainment for many folks... Even those who have the option to be outside on a tractor enjoying life. That's weird and sad.
2. The laws of physics don't care about politics. It's getting hotter, and buying a republican thermometer or a democrat thermometer won't change that.
3. Math doesn't care about politics. Whether you're a libertarian or a socialist, 23+114+120 divided by 3 = 85 2/3. (See below for why I chose those numbers.)
4. If you're a person who claims to value personal freedom, it's bizarre to also be a shill for the fossil fuel industry. The fact of the matter is that you are dependent on them every day of your life. Worse, the (global) fossil fuel companies buy the politicians and the politicians spend your tax money to support them... But at the end of the day, you pay whatever price they agree on on to fuel your vehicles & equipment, and **you have no other option**. Unless you own an oil well and a refinery, you're not a free person.
5. However, if you actually want to be an independent and free person, you *can* own a solar array or windmill & electric vehicles.
6. The up-front cost to use electric vehicles is steep, but in the long run it's cheaper... And more importantly, you're no longer controlled by the government or fuel companies. (That's why they're working so hard to get you all angry about electric cars and renewables... If renewables weren't already a cheaper and more viable alternative, they'd have no reason to fight so hard. Use your common sense and this becomes obvious.)

On my barn is a 16Kw solar array. Two of my three vehicles are electric. Yes, they were expensive, but when I charge them off the barn array, they cost $0.02 per mile to operate. Even if I have to completely replace the batteries at 100K miles, I've still saved money. Inflation? I don't care... my 2 cent/mile cost is locked in for the next 30+ years because I own the fuel source. That's actual personal freedom, no politics involved.

Getting back to the original post, when I average the mpg on the gas car (23) and the equivalent mpg on the EVs (120 & 114), I'm already at 85mpg average. I didn't do that because a politician required me to, I did it because I can do math and I value freedom.

This conversation would make a lot more sense if everyone would put away their obsession with politics and just do the math.

**Edit: When someone posted about the road-use taxes included in gas & diesel, I realized that I had not included taxes in my 2 cents/mile. I should have included that to make the comparison fair, since everyone else pays road-use tax as part of their fuel expense. In Ohio, EVs pay a $200 annual surcharge at registration to replace the revenue that they would have gotten from the per-gallon tax on gas or diesel. I'm a typical driver with about 15,000 miles/year, so that brings my "fuel" cost up to $0.033/mile including the road tax.

Did I miss the cost of your solar system as a factor in the cost of your transportation or were your panels free.

 

[Bentrim]

A few things to think about----
1.Government can and does control what you do and purchase by -- Making current technology too expensive or controls the amount available for the consumer to purchase. For example limits the amount of available motor fuels by legislating for "cleaner" emissions.
Buys up (with your tax dollars) or controls the amount of fuels shipped to an area. This alone can make fuels unaffordable. Legislate emissions and efficiency for engine to a to a point manufacturers cannot reasonably meet them or it raise the price so high you cannot afford to purchase a vehicle. Example 1. incandescent light bulbs. 2. Ice emissions 3. vehicle efficiency as MPG. The VW Rabbit diesel got 50+ MPG but was killed over emissions.

2. Controlling what you purchase -- as the incandescent bulbs, "safety" fuel cans, the toilet you can purchase, the dishwasher, the range that is available, oxygenated fuels (ethanol), what weed killer you purchase, must be included treatment system for vehicle exhaust, the starter rope attachment on your push mower, the reverse switch on your riding mower, the back up alarm on equipment, and on and on. Small pickups were killed because of fuel mileage.

3. Any computer controlled vehicle can be shut down by law enforcement -- ask the criminal that got shut down.

4. Trying to convince you that EV's are pollution free. Guess the mining and transport of raw material doesn't pollute? or the manufacturing? or the fossil fuel used to generate the electric to manufacture and recharge? or the tire dust from the heavier EV's? Just read an article that New York city has had more battery caused fires which have caused more deaths than the Corvair caused nationwide. Thanks Ralph time for an sequel.

If it sounds like I am trying to pick a fight -- Nope. Just get tired of people polishing the fender to a bright luster when the engine belches smoke and the frame is rotted thru.

And one parting word -- Get out and vote, but before you do be sure you know who and what you are voting for. People you vote for are responsible for the laws and regulations that become law. It is time our lawmaker stop hiding behind parties and are responsible for their own actions. By the way have you talked with your representative lately? He doesn't know your thoughts unless you tell him.

 

[Richard001]

And one parting word -- Get out and vote, but before you do be sure you know who and what you are voting for. People you vote for are responsible for the laws and regulations that become law. It is time our lawmaker stop hiding behind parties and are responsible for their own actions. By the way have you talked with your representative lately? He doesn't know your thoughts unless you tell him.

Yes, I have sent him e-mails from time to time, but he is of the other party and just ignores my messages to him, so it's hopeless.