58 MPG by 2032

[Williy]

The sad thing about congress sticking their fingers into anything
is like having a bad case of hemorrhiods of which we can do very
nicely without!!! Its a very sad FACT!!!!!!

They say that a certain year they want all cars/trucks running on
electricity and yet are there any new power plants being built
that are not run on coal, gas etc?????
At the way things are going there will be a lot of electric cars/trucks
sitting by the side of the road!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also with the cheap electric
cars supposely $5k for a new one probably a lot of people with go
for the cheap electric car/truck versus the gas/diesel ones and the
sad part is a lot of power stations will malfunction because of the
extremly heavy for power. Just my opinion

willy

 

[WinterDeere]

They say that a certain year they want all cars/trucks running on
electricity and yet are there any new power plants being built
that are not run on coal, gas etc?????

Yes, "they" are! Rather than post the same graphic a third time, please see posts #245 or #104 in this thread. Since 2010, in the USA alone, electricity production from renewables has more than doubled, and gas has nearly doubled. Coal is down 2.5x. Electric production from renewables passed coal and nukes in 2022, making renewables (mostly wind) our second largest source of electricity, with cheap natural gas still taking the lead. Gas will remain our primary source for some time to come, it's lead is so large, but coal is dying fast. Nukes are a political and financial challenge, not a technical challenge, so that could go either way.

Also, note that the primary model is for overnight charging at home, taking advantage of unused capacity during overnight off-peak hours. This will be incentivized by off-peak billing rates, making it cheaper to program your car to charge at night.

This solves a related problem, in that nukes have long time constants, on the order of days rather than hours. Because our historic off-peak demand is so low relative to our peak demand, the nukes have been set up to only carry a fraction of the off-peak demand. There's simply no way to turn them up during the day, and down overnight. But if we increase overnight demand with 300 million EV's plugged in at home and charging overnight, we can do a better job of leveling off on- vs off-peak demand. This will allow us to keep those nukes throttled up to take a larger fraction of our daily load, further diminishing reliance on the plants currently supplying our peak demand (coal, gas).

It's amusing how similar some of the posts on this forum are to what you'll read in newspapers of 115 years ago, people complaining about automobiles, and saying they'll never replace the horse.

 

[WinterDeere]

One thing really bothering me here is that, while so many are focused on reducing emissions by imposing standards on the vehicles we drive, there is nothing being done to solve much simpler problems.

Nearly every day, I will sit at a traffic light where traffic is backed up at a red light, and the "green" direction has no traffic for several minutes. All this wasted time for all of these people, in addition to all of those cars just belching exhaust while they sit and idle. Then, just as a batch of cars is finally approaching their green light, the stupid thing switches and makes them stop and wait while we go. It is so infinitely simple, even using 40 year old technology, to time these lights for approaching traffic, so that almost no one should ever have to sit at a red light while the other direction has no traffic. This alone would go a long way toward reducing emissions, as that whole batch of cars that had to stop, now wastes an enormous amount of fuel getting back up to speed... only to stop at the next light.

 

[NoTrespassing]

I got 50.5 mpg on my 35 mile drive home from work yesterday in my 2018 Mazda 3 hypermiling through the country. That's about $2.50 to go 35 miles.

 

[NoTrespassing]

Nuclear is the future. France is something like 80-90% nuclear. China and india are building massive nuclear plants. The US all but over-regulated nuclear out of existence. We need to bring it back.

Georgia Power just brought one online 4 weeks ago.

MSN

 

[motormike]

The government wants to cut down on emission gas then why don't the figure out how to make traffic keep flowing. I sat in bumper to bumper traffic and burned 100 miles worth of extra fuel on my trip. I figure every state has a traffic problem. Making vehicles get 50 MPG won't fix emission issues when you are driving 5 MPH.

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

I can get 10-15% better mileage by slowing down 5mph. Why don't they try that?

 

[motormike]

I can get 10-15% better mileage by slowing down 5mph. Why don't they try that?

Because it's 0-5 for miles. Bumper to bumper. My jeep gets its best gas mileage running at 70, 2200RPM.

 

[Williy]

No matter what speed I drive I can only get 24 because of the
hills here down hill to town and up hill home

willy

 

[buckeyefarmer]

And since EVs get 0 MpG, they will be outlawed.