Grumpycat
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So, you failed math.
73,848 miles in my Tesla. 0 gallons. Miles divided by gallons is infinity.
58 MPG by 2032
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73,848 miles in my Tesla. 0 gallons. Miles divided by gallons is infinity.
gsganzer
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This is a de-Facto ban on ICE vehicles by 2032. The ICE technology has reached its peak and very little additional efficiency can be squeezed out of an engine.
I have no problems with an electric vehicle if it suits your needs. In fact, an electric vehicle would fit my wife's daily needs perfectly and I'd consider having an electric and an ICE in my household. But the one-size-fits-all mentality that's being pushed by our leaders is frightening.
Having all of our energy infrastructure in one basket, with talk of eliminating gas stoves/heat, wood burning stove/fireplaces etc. What could possibly go wrong? China and Russia are laughing out loud, as we sleep-walk into the next world conflict.
Two years ago, TX had a severe winter event that knocked out power for 4 days and pandemonium ensued. And this is in a state that has a pretty diverse energy infrastructure. Imagine the same thing happening in the dead of winter to an all-electric NYC, Detroit, Chicago, Boston with an infrastructure attack?
Just the other month, investigators found widespread Chinese intrusion in our infrastructure system, and it's believed they only found the tip of the iceberg.
This is a matter of national security that can't be overlooked.
I have no problems with an electric vehicle if it suits your needs. In fact, an electric vehicle would fit my wife's daily needs perfectly and I'd consider having an electric and an ICE in my household. But the one-size-fits-all mentality that's being pushed by our leaders is frightening.
Having all of our energy infrastructure in one basket, with talk of eliminating gas stoves/heat, wood burning stove/fireplaces etc. What could possibly go wrong? China and Russia are laughing out loud, as we sleep-walk into the next world conflict.
Two years ago, TX had a severe winter event that knocked out power for 4 days and pandemonium ensued. And this is in a state that has a pretty diverse energy infrastructure. Imagine the same thing happening in the dead of winter to an all-electric NYC, Detroit, Chicago, Boston with an infrastructure attack?
Just the other month, investigators found widespread Chinese intrusion in our infrastructure system, and it's believed they only found the tip of the iceberg.
This is a matter of national security that can't be overlooked.
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Bill Gates and the other groups are only 1-3 years away from having the new modern and modular nuclear reactors ready for commercial use. Rather than the 70+ year nuclear technology that's currently in use.
We'd be much better off to tap the brakes on the decommissioning of the coal plants, until this new technology can be standardized and plugged into their place. The transmission infrastructure is already routed to these power nodes, the plants are typically remote, and they have all the cooling water needs at hand.
Decommissioning a 600MW coal plant? Plug in (10) 60MW modular reactors.
We'd be much better off to tap the brakes on the decommissioning of the coal plants, until this new technology can be standardized and plugged into their place. The transmission infrastructure is already routed to these power nodes, the plants are typically remote, and they have all the cooling water needs at hand.
Decommissioning a 600MW coal plant? Plug in (10) 60MW modular reactors.
"How close are we really to nuclear fusion?
Most experts agree that we're unlikely to be able to generate large-scale energy from nuclear fusion before around 2050 (the cautious might add on another decade).Jun 1, 2023."
Comments I overheard on Nuclear Fusion.
A-Nuclear Fusion will be great.
B. How are they going to control it.
A, They will figure it out.
B. You mean like the last time.
A. No, that was Nuclear Fission.
B. No, I am talking about Fusion
A. What are you talking about there is no Nuclear Fusion.
B. Yes there is, the SUN but no one lives there.
The sun is fueled by nuclear fusion
In the core of the Sun hydrogen is being converted into helium. This is called nuclear fusion. It takes four hydrogen atoms to fuse into each helium atom. During the process some of the mass is converted into energy.
Most experts agree that we're unlikely to be able to generate large-scale energy from nuclear fusion before around 2050 (the cautious might add on another decade).Jun 1, 2023."
Comments I overheard on Nuclear Fusion.
A-Nuclear Fusion will be great.
B. How are they going to control it.
A, They will figure it out.
B. You mean like the last time.
A. No, that was Nuclear Fission.
B. No, I am talking about Fusion
A. What are you talking about there is no Nuclear Fusion.
B. Yes there is, the SUN but no one lives there.
The sun is fueled by nuclear fusion
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In the core of the Sun hydrogen is being converted into helium. This is called nuclear fusion. It takes four hydrogen atoms to fuse into each helium atom. During the process some of the mass is converted into energy.
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Torvy
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I might change many to some. Industries go for efficiency and tend to prefer to operate as close to 24/7 as maintenance and such will allow. If they are not close to 24/7 that is often an indication of a bad economy (at least in that particular industry).
Offices are more likely to shut down at night, but there is a corresponding uptick in consumer use. The other thing to remember is that while a few people charge EV today the theory is that everyone will be doing it in some hypothetical future. That is well beyond the capacity of our current system, both here in Texas and nationwide.
Sure, today there is less energy use at night, but that is more driven by Temps at night being 20 degrees lower, so AC runs less.
Offices are more likely to shut down at night, but there is a corresponding uptick in consumer use. The other thing to remember is that while a few people charge EV today the theory is that everyone will be doing it in some hypothetical future. That is well beyond the capacity of our current system, both here in Texas and nationwide.
Sure, today there is less energy use at night, but that is more driven by Temps at night being 20 degrees lower, so AC runs less.
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As it is, industry is having enough trouble maintaining an adequate daytime workforce. Switching factories to nighttime production certainly won't help.
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Simply... no. I think you're missing the point already argued several times in the preceding 27 pages. These are Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) requirements, and there will still be many vehicles made way under 58 mpg (if that's the new standard), just like there are many vehicles made today that are way below today's CAFE standards. In 2016, when I bought my 12 mpg SRT 392 (6.4L sedan), the CAFE standard was 34.0 MPG. No problem, if FCA made enough Fiat 500's and Dodge Darts to compensate the fleet average, for my gas hog.
If the CAFE standard goes to 58 MPG in 2032, which remains to be seen, they will still be making some vehicles that probably average under 20 mpg in real-world conditions. EV's, which use 0 gallons of fuel for each mile, will offset the fleet average to permit this.
The irony is that those of us wanting to continue driving big-displacement V8-powered vehicles should be praising and promoting EV's as much as possible, as more EV's in the hands of the masses is the only way automakers will be able to meet higher fleet averages (whatever the numbers may be), while continuing to make powerful gasser sports cars and trucks for those desiring them. Put other words, more moms driving EV's to the grocery store and school drop-off, saves more gas fleet margin for the rest of us!
Grumpycat
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Westinghouse was building modern modular nuclear reactors in China 15 years ago.
Grumpycat
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Posers and virtue signalers today imposing such ridiculousness will be retired and sitting pretty when their foolishness actually has to be implemented. Which it will not.
