58 MPG by 2032

[jeff9366]

58 MPG​

Seeking to cut greenhouse gas emissions, the B i d e n administration has issued a proposal directing automakers to raise the fuel economy of their vehicles to a fleet-wide average of 58 miles per gallon by 2032. The proposed rules by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration would be applicable starting in model year 2027, while new fuel efficiency standards for heavy-duty pickup trucks and vans would rise 10% annually. The NHTSA also said it would try to align regulations with the Environmental Protection Agency's proposed vehicle emissions reductions. Many U.S. automakers are already in the middle of electrifying their fleets, but any changes could impact the plans of Ford (F), General Motors (GM) and Stellantis (STLA)

 

[Robin Veerman]

Just think how much fuel would be saved if Big Rigs were limited to 65 mph…. !?

 

[kthompson]

Why does not DC try this law: the US will be debt free by 2032. All it takes is the bill to be passed.

Guess I best be visiting the mountains all I want too before then. Uphill may not be optional.

 

[Paystar]

Just think how much fuel would be saved if Big Rigs were limited to 65 mph…. !?

Don't work. They are speed limited here and even the fleets that have "max speed 90 KPH (55MPH) decaled on the back of their trailers I follow them all day long on the highway at 115 KPH.
My trucks were all programmed to show they were governed when plugged into, but they were not.

 

[5030]

My trucks were all programmed to show they were governed when plugged into, but they were not.

You do know the 'litmus' test as to whether a big truck will run or if they are slugs don't you?

Just look at the speedometer. It it goes to 80, it's a slug truck. If it goes to 100, it's a runner.

 

[dodge man]

How many vehicles get 58 mpg now? Will electric vehicles somehow get factored into that. Between this new standard and all the standards on all the home appliances things will get expensive.

 

[Robin Veerman]

Don't work. They are speed limited here and even the fleets that have "max speed 90 KPH (55MPH) decaled on the back of their trailers I follow them all day long on the highway at 115 KPH.
My trucks were all programmed to show they were governed when plugged into, but they were not.

Really? Don’t matter how hard I’ve pushed the pedal….107kmh is the fastest she’ll go….unless it’s downhill However, in the USA riding my HD at 130kmh recently the big rigs still roll right by!! Not fuel efficient, not safe and reckless….but that’s my opinion.

 

[5030]

However, in the USA riding my HD

I didn't know a Hardley would go that fast...lol

 

[Paystar]

You do know the 'litmus' test as to whether a big truck will run or if they are slugs don't you?

Just look at the speedometer. It it goes to 80, it's a slug truck. If it goes to 100, it's a runner.

Not my trucks in my applications 5030, they all had 4.30 and 4.56 rear ratio's with 550 plus h.p.
80 MPH was about all I could get with an 18 double over. I tried highway long haul once. Hated it. I'll stick to forestry and mining.

 

[5030]

I always liked running triple digits when I could get away with it. Our fleet trucks were all double bunk Stars with 390 rears and 13 double overs or 18's. All cranked up too. Talk about 'visible particulates', they all did it in spades. 3406 Cats mechanical injection and buttoned.

 

[5030]

Hardley? what are we talking about in the thread? what's the point?

The American V twin built from offshore parts. I own 4 bikes myself and one is a Hardley dresser.

 

[Robin Veerman]

Off topic a bit but…. I did have a Yamaha “Star Stratoliner” that would do circles around most “built” Harleys and sounded absolutely heavy and stout. Incredible 113” Vtwin that Yamaha has now faded away….

 

[arto98607]

How many vehicles get 58 mpg now? Will electric vehicles somehow get factored into that. Between this new standard and all the standards on all the home appliances things will get expensive.

Not too many I think.

I used to have a 2010 Jetta Wagon Diesel manual and I remember having seen 52 mpg couple of times, but that was not normally the case.

48 - 49 mpg was achievable on a freeway, but that was technology in a 2010 year model (pretty small car).

I think lot of things will have to change to get 58 mpg on average.


Photo taken on a freeway December 2014 while driving at a steady 63 mph

 

[RustyA]

It will be 1985 all over again when the cafe (corporate avg fuel economy) forced automakers to hit a mpg average or pay a fine for every vehicle they sold. Huge incentives on compact cars and it was hard to get 4x4 automatic trucks. Didn't work then and won't work now. People buy what they need to tow or haul passengers, not what the gov thinks they should buy. EVs will be averaged in so carmakers will sell them at a loss in order to be able to sell suburbans, escalades and expeditions. They'll add the losses to the cost of what people want.

 

[Torvy]

Fleet averages..so they will be forced to make more EVs to boost the averages for everything else. A Prius Prime gets about 133MPG all in and 54 with just the gas. If a Prime is the average, we will not have enough electricity production to meet those standards.

 

[Hay Dude]

Bid a final farewell to ICE vehicles!

 

[WinterDeere]

Bid a final farewell to ICE vehicles!

A lot of them, I suspect. But it's fleet average, so we'll have to see how EV's are counted. If counted as infinite, then each 2 EV sales will permit an ICE vehicle at 20 mph to be added to the fleet.

What's interesting is that I had assumed Dodge would continue just playing off the FCA fleet average, or buying credits, to keep making big-displacement ICE's. But with the 2024 Hellcat going electric, you gotta wonder what their next move will be.

Put otherwise, if even Dodge SRT is going electric, who's going to be the last hold-out?

 

[dodge man]

I wasn’t happy to see the Challenger going to be replaced by an electric. It will be fast so I thought it might be OK. Then I saw a video of some idiot designer talking about the “exhaust” on the new EV performance car. He went into all the details. I just wanted to find the guy, slap him around and make him admit that “exhaust” is just making fake noise. It’s an electric car, at least have the guts to leave the fake engine noise out. I lost all respect for them when I saw the video.

 

[Paystar]

Bid a final farewell to ICE vehicles!

They'll still be in my yard. I don't give a crap what i gotta pay for fuel.

 

[Paystar]

And when I can't buy fuel anymore, I'll be cooking a lot of french fries.

And robbing McDonalds of their fry oil, LOL