58 MPG by 2032

[Grumpycat]

And yeah it's definitely faster to pull the cab off if you need to do turbos, injector replacement, etc. Guys with experience can get the whole cab pulled in a couple hours, I've heard.

Back then I was told the book time was 3 hours off, 4 hours on with the correct jig. And based on what I have seen SuperDuty mechanics get a lot of practice.

 

[Grumpycat]

It would be pretty moronic to take an F-150 gasser to tow heavy with like 12,000lbs day in and day out, or buy a truck based on one “drag race”.

Yes it would because no F-150 is rated to tow 12,000 pounds.

The HDPP option put a heavier frame, rear axle, springs, Load Range E tires, 7 bolt wheels, essentially making an F-250 in F-150 skin. Rides like an F-250 too. Yuck.

 

[deezler]

Same price?
I’m thinking a 2008 F-250 diesel sells for about 25-35K now.

Depends on the circles you hang out in. Of almost all the guys I know, most tow way more than me. Maybe your a big timer among your buddies at 11,000lbs

I really am! haha. My suburban buddies can barely mount a bike rack in a tow hitch.

And yeah I paid 35,000 for my 2019 f150 with 52k miles on it last year. Hard to find any older diesels with lower miles like that, but when you do, they cost that much or more around here.

 

[deezler]

I’d have a doubt. A 2008 F-250 had a 6.4L 360HP twin turbo diesel with 650 ft lbs of torque. Depending on the route of the race, I’d say it there’d be considerable doubt. Especially if there’s a hill.

I guess I’d take the fuel economy, powertrain longevity and comfort while towing versus winning a drag race with the 150, which would put a lot of stress and premature wear on it.

It would be pretty moronic to take an F-150 gasser to tow heavy with like 12,000lbs day in and day out, or buy a truck based on one “drag race”.

BTW: I said a 15K trailer.

Uphill would add an additional variable for sure. But the secret weapon I wasn't elaborating on was the transmissions. The new 10 speed shifts really fast and has a ratio for all conditions. I wouldn't want to tow 12,000 lbs through it every day though!

 

[deezler]

Yes it would because no F-150 is rated to tow 12,000 pounds.

The HDPP option put a heavier frame, rear axle, springs, Load Range E tires, 7 bolt wheels, essentially making an F-250 in F-150 skin. Rides like an F-250 too. Yuck.

You are way off. Through last year the F150 (3.5L ecoboost wih max tow) was rated to over 14,000 lbs conventional towing. No high-payload package required to get to that number, either, just max tow. And the same 6-bolt wheel pattern, no 7 bolt weirdness.

For 2024 Ford (wisely?) dropped it back down a bit to 13,500 lbs max towing. A lot of weight to pull with a 5200 lb truck, no doubt.

 

[Paystar]

Just a thought since I saw the title of this thread again. We could EASILY have 58 MPG diesel vehicles right now if the government didn't hamper manufacturers with problematic emissions systems.

 

[Grumpycat]

Just a thought since I saw the title of this thread again. We could EASILY have 58 MPG diesel vehicles right now if the government didn't hamper manufacturers with problematic emissions systems.

Did you see what Mexico City was like in recent decades? That is what happens with non-smogged diesels.

As recent as 1989 Mexico was trying to buy retrofit DPF systems and force drivers to install. Was hiring American companies to design the systems.

I will agree it is nonsense to stifle agricultural diesels the same as urban. Carbon is still in the emissions with DPF, only in smaller pieces. Carbon harmlessly falls to the ground eventually, is good for plants, bad for lungs and buildings.

 

[WinterDeere]

Just a thought since I saw the title of this thread again. We could EASILY have 58 MPG diesel vehicles right now if the government didn't hamper manufacturers with problematic emissions systems.

Cut off your nose, to spite your face? The 58 mpg goal is aimed at hitting a net emissions target. Ditching the emissions equipment would require moving that coal way beyond 58 mpg, to achieve the same net emissions.

 

[Paystar]

Don't want to cut off my nose, then I wouldn't be able to smell all my wonderful diesel fuel and diesel exhaust fumes.

 

[Paystar]

Like I said before, every time I start my old diesels and they fill the barn with smoke that burns my eyes, it brings me tears of joy. LOL