6' Tiller

[jyoutz]

Yeah, HST is a must have to be able to creep slow enough.

I used to use a 54” tiller with a 20 hp pto GST tractor. In L1, it did the job for me, but HST sure is better for hard ground conditions.

 

[Williy]

What HP is needed to consider purchasing a
tiller for your tractor:

Consider this: A typical 5-ft rotary tiller with four tines can be run by a 25-hp tractor and the same 5-ft rotary tiller with six tines would need a 31-hp tractor to operate the tiller at peak performance. A 40-hp requirement jumps to nearly 50 hp with six tines.

willy

 

[jeff9366]

What HP is needed to consider purchasing a
tiller for your tractor:

Consider this: A typical 5-ft rotary tiller with four tines can be run by a 25-hp tractor and the same 5-ft rotary tiller with six tines would need a 31-hp tractor to operate the tiller at peak performance. A 40-hp requirement jumps to nearly 50 hp with six tines.

willy

Good information for FORWARD ROTATION TILLERS.

Power requirements for REVERSE ROTATION TILLERS also needed.

 

[JustinE]

I'm going to stick to forward rotating. With the WD45, it's a former pulling tractor, so she's not stock. From what I've been told, she won a few trophies back in the day. She fights a 9 shank all purpose plow and could do it with a little more weight on the tires and a beefed up cooling system.

 

[Halftrack]

Unless the WD 45 is geared for about 1 mph at decent throttle setting, it's too fast.

 

[JustinE]

Unless the WD 45 is geared for about 1 mph at decent throttle setting, it's too fast.

Top speed in 1st is 2.4 mph. So it should suffice.

 

[jeff9366]

I'm curious if anyone out there can point me in the direction of a good 3 point tiller that can handle red clay and go a good 8" deep.

Top speed in 1st is 2.4 mph. So it should suffice.

I would not invest in a roto-tiller based on that assumption.

 

[ROUSTABOUT]

We have an old LONG tiller 8' long. Never had a 120 HP tractor. Lot of times used behind 1900 model Ford. But the 1900 can go so slow that we get by using it. 8N, not a chance. The 4630 and 5610's do fine. Never used it with the cab tractor.

 

[JustinE]

I'm curious if anyone out there can point me in the direction of a good 3 point tiller that can handle red clay and go a good 8" deep.

Top speed in 1st is 2.4 mph. So it should suffice.

I would not invest in a roto-tiller based on that assumption.

If it can't, I've got a 5400 and a 5420 at my disposal. Besides, as previously mentioned, this WD45 isn't a stock version. It had some work done in it by a previous owner who was a puller. She'll pull a 9 shank all purpose.

 

[ovrszd]

I use a 6ft KK tiller with my Ford 3910, 42 PTO HP. 1st gear, 1.7mph at 2,000 rpms. I run the tiller at half throttle. No problems at all. Extreme soil conditions or heavy sod you may have to make more than one pass. If tilling a garden, one pass will do it fine. I "fell" into mine. Slightly used. $500.

 

[JustinE]

So, right now, it seems like it's coming down between Betstco and my King Kutter. I'm planning on talking to KK today to get their warranty information and specs.

 

[jyoutz]

If it can't, I've got a 5400 and a 5420 at my disposal. Besides, as previously mentioned, this WD45 isn't a stock version. It had some work done in it by a previous owner who was a puller. She'll pull a 9 shank all purpose.

The issue is that you need to be able to have a gear that allows for a very low ground speed while running the throttle at 540 pto RPMs. You can till at a faster ground speed if you are working an area that has been tilled before, but it wouldn’t work well on hard ground.

 

[LD1]

If it can't, I've got a 5400 and a 5420 at my disposal. Besides, as previously mentioned, this WD45 isn't a stock version. It had some work done in it by a previous owner who was a puller. She'll pull a 9 shank all purpose.

As mentioned, it isnt just about power. Its about ground speed.

Forward rotation tiller means the rotor is travelling the same direction as the tractor. Two things control its ability to penetrate into the dirt.....its own weight and time.

IF the travel speed of the tractor is too fast....and each tine tries to take too much bite, it keeps the tiller from actually penetrating. You need to go SLOW . And even at that.....no way you get 8" depth in one pass on virgin ground.

IMO, 2.4MPH is just too fast. For the KK tillers (and Im sure others are geared for similar rotor ROM), 1-1.5MPH is about ideal.

And the only way you can slow down is to idle down....which is self defeating because it slows the tiller down at the same rate as travel speed. IE:....if you go half throttle to go half speed, the tiller is also spinning half speed. The result is the same....trying to take too big of a bite.

Its like using a backhoe......trying to take too big of a bite and you end up dragging the machine instead of scooping dirt. Only in this case you wont push the machine around.....rather it will just keep the tiller from penetrating because the 3PH doesnt have down pressure

 

[JustinE]

As mentioned, it isnt just about power. Its about ground speed.

Forward rotation tiller means the rotor is travelling the same direction as the tractor. Two things control its ability to penetrate into the dirt.....its own weight and time.

IF the travel speed of the tractor is too fast....and each tine tries to take too much bite, it keeps the tiller from actually penetrating. You need to go SLOW . And even at that.....no way you get 8" depth in one pass on virgin ground.

IMO, 2.4MPH is just too fast. For the KK tillers (and Im sure others are geared for similar rotor ROM), 1-1.5MPH is about ideal.

And the only way you can slow down is to idle down....which is self defeating because it slows the tiller down at the same rate as travel speed. IE:....if you go half throttle to go half speed, the tiller is also spinning half speed. The result is the same....trying to take too big of a bite.

Its like using a backhoe......trying to take too big of a bite and you end up dragging the machine instead of scooping dirt. Only in this case you wont push the machine around.....rather it will just keep the tiller from penetrating because the 3PH doesnt have down pressure

I'm assuming you're not familiar with a WD45.

 

[LD1]

I'm assuming you're not familiar with a WD45.

Good luck now and in the future with all things tractor related. My willingness to try and help and offer advise has just ended. Happy tractoring

 

[ovrszd]

Good luck now and in the future with all things tractor related. My willingness to try and help and offer advise has just ended. Happy tractoring

Ummm,,, he might have a point. The WD-45 is a unique tractor. Much sought after for the tractor to use on an AC small round hay baler.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

Ummm,,, he might have a point. The WD-45 is a unique tractor. Much sought after for the tractor to use on an AC small round hay baler.

Only because it has an oil cooled hand clutch (along with a dry foot clutch) that "kinda" gave it live power.

You certainly don't want to be clutching while tilling, like it was used with baling!

SR

 

[ovrszd]

Only because it has an oil cooled hand clutch (along with a dry foot clutch) that "kinda" gave it live power.

You certainly don't want to be clutching while tilling, like it was used with baling!

SR

Most definitely has live power. That clutch is disengaged/engaged hundreds of times in a day of baling. Is there a reason you see that it couldn't be used to "adjust" ground speed in certain spots while tilling?

 

[ning]

Most definitely has live power. That clutch is disengaged/engaged hundreds of times in a day of baling. Is there a reason you see that it couldn't be used to "adjust" ground speed in certain spots while tilling?

My guess is that since it's not a matter of on vs off, but varying the speed between on and off, it requires continual slipping. Cooled clutch or no that's a lot of wear.
(caveat, I don't know jack about these tractors)

 

[JustinE]

There's one additional thing he didn't take into consideration. I said max speed in first gear was 2.4 mph. He said range of recommended working speed was 1-1.5 mph. The main working range of the WD45 was about middle of the quadrant, which would put 1st gear running speed at that range as approximately 1.2 mph, essentially in the middle of the working range he stated.