6000 lbs 0n 7000lbs trailer?

[RickB]

I didn't look at my title or door sticker, that was pulled straight off the NYDMV web site. I have had 6 different pickup trucks since 1991, some I registered, some dealers did for me. Each one was commercial, until today I didn't know a pickup could be registered any other way. 3 of these trucks were new registrations, not a plate transfer, actually one I traded in car on it and had to get different plates due to going from a car to a truck.

Those interested in this topic can read here:

http://www.ag.ny.gov/media_center/2005/dec/dec02a_05.html

 

[some zilch]

you can register a pickup truck in NY for any weight you want to. your registration fee corresponds to that weight. i know of poeple registering 1-ton dodges (late 90's) for , 35klbw so they can legally pull JD 650 foresty dozers on triaxle trailers. its wayyyy over GVW or whatever, but the state does not care, its only about $$$. there're reg fees are much higher, but thats all the state cares about.

why cant i have a 1-ton, diesel powered, non-commercial service truck? maybe i enjoy tinkering with older dodges (i have 5), maybe i like having a convenient place for storing tools, chainsaws, fuel, straps, etc, maybe i like having a heavy duty truck for towing my personal trailer around, maybe i like having a dirt-simple engine/trans/truck that does not have controllers/computers/$40k price tags? Nothing illegal in that.......

as for horse show people: it seems a majority of them (and i am NOT a horse guy, several in my family are) tend to have big pickup trucks/big trailers/"motorhomes"/ "private" semi trucks etc. these are all considered money making vehicles, since they are 99% of the time showing horses in an attempt ot win prize money or some type of prize. sometimes, the driver of said truck is not "classed" to drive the truck they are driving (
i have seen this happen, and had to go finish the trip b/c i have a class A). horse people seem to have a different set of rules they they adhere to, but is not legal. ........just what i've seen..............

kinda like guys with HUGE bus-based RVs that dont need CDLs or air brake endorsements to drive (you know you've seen them-shouldnt be driving a civic, much less a 50klb bus "RV"). same with race car guys; some think they can register a freightliner truck as non-commercial or RV, haul a 53 triaxle race trailer, and no rules apply to them ...there IS a double standard between commercial/non-commecial

clearly, YMMV, as mine seems to from others. i have never registered a pickup as commercial in NY. i am pretty sure "downstate" NY has very diffent rules that "upstate" NY. also, i am NOT hauling for profit, so any commercial regulations do not apply to me

 

[ddivinia]

How much would it cost to have it delivered?

D.

 

[FlaDon]

None of my trucks door stickers or titles have the empty weight listed.

My title does, but not my door or registration. But all of them have the GVWR on them. And that can get you looked at or stopped. 11400 is over what some states concider Commercial in their state.

 

[FlaDon]

guess what?? i live in NY, just outside albany; so i am quite familiar with the NY DOT rules and regs. i cant imagine how i am committing fraud when i have passenger plates on a SRW truck i work with a kid who has his dually f350 pass. plated here in NY. i also know other people who comm. plate 1/2 tons. i see no reason into why people think they need comm plates when their weight does not justify it. we all know there are those people who just have an f350 or f450 to pull their ego around, and their weight legally demands comm plates.

And no, anyone in NY with a pickup and car trailer is NOT fair game for DOT; where do you get this stuff? If its not used for commercial purpsoes, DOT does not want to be bothered with you. you are not held to the same regulations as a commercial carrier (hours of service, log books, chaining, weights/axle). if that was the case, 99% of people who haul cars on a car trailer would be red tagged for not having it secured properly, or would be overweight on some axle combination. also, anyone who hauls a race car, horses, or a hobby that may make them any kind of prize money "techically" has to have a DOT number, as the truck is being used to make money, at least when pulling trailer with said item on board.

Right now it seems DOT has it out for the landscapers, whom most all seem to never tied anything down, and pull the biggest POS trailers out there. I have passed several NE checkpoints with big signs specifically saying "NO PICKUPS"

since when did a state trooper, who is not a DOT cop become an expert in identifing overloaded trailers? no time recently in my book....

as previously stated, i do heavy haul trucking (overweight, oversize, over-length) on a daily basis, and am a constant target for DOT. i am quite familiar with DOT regs. its amazing that some people who haul a happy homeowner CUT behind a 1/2 ton on a 7000lb car trailer all of a sudden become DOT experts b/c they think theyre big-time truckers.

Just because some do it illegally, doesn't mean they won't get caught. Know of any 3500/350 series trucks that weigh under 5500 lbs? Heck, a 2009 Ford F150 supercab can weigh over 5000. An F250 can exceed the 5500 limit with no problem.

As for your signs, I see them in the SE that say ALL TRUCKS,TRUCKS-TRAILERS. None say No Pickups. And my title says Truck even though it is also labeled as Private. I guess all the other duallys with trailers that pull in at the weigh stations are wrong too.? Not! As for your CDL, even a Class B license can get you into the overweight, oversize, overlenght range.

 

[FlaDon]

you can register a pickup truck in NY for any weight you want to. your registration fee corresponds to that weight. i know of poeple registering 1-ton dodges (late 90's) for , 35klbw so they can legally pull JD 650 foresty dozers on triaxle trailers. its wayyyy over GVW or whatever, but the state does not care, its only about $$$. there're reg fees are much higher, but thats all the state cares about.

why cant i have a 1-ton, diesel powered, non-commercial service truck? maybe i enjoy tinkering with older dodges (i have 5), maybe i like having a convenient place for storing tools, chainsaws, fuel, straps, etc, maybe i like having a heavy duty truck for towing my personal trailer around, maybe i like having a dirt-simple engine/trans/truck that does not have controllers/computers/$40k price tags? Nothing illegal in that.......

as for horse show people: it seems a majority of them (and i am NOT a horse guy, several in my family are) tend to have big pickup trucks/big trailers/"motorhomes"/ "private" semi trucks etc. these are all considered money making vehicles, since they are 99% of the time showing horses in an attempt ot win prize money or some type of prize. sometimes, the driver of said truck is not "classed" to drive the truck they are driving (
i have seen this happen, and had to go finish the trip b/c i have a class A). horse people seem to have a different set of rules they they adhere to, but is not legal. ........just what i've seen..............

kinda like guys with HUGE bus-based RVs that dont need CDLs or air brake endorsements to drive (you know you've seen them-shouldnt be driving a civic, much less a 50klb bus "RV"). same with race car guys; some think they can register a freightliner truck as non-commercial or RV, haul a 53 triaxle race trailer, and no rules apply to them ...there IS a double standard between commercial/non-commecial

clearly, YMMV, as mine seems to from others. i have never registered a pickup as commercial in NY. i am pretty sure "downstate" NY has very diffent rules that "upstate" NY. also, i am NOT hauling for profit, so any commercial regulations do not apply to me

In Florida, you wouldn't get any vehicle insurance from Allstate with the service truck body on a 1 ton except for Commercial. Same applies to any F-450 or 4500 series even if a pickup bed is installed. Florida DOT does pull over the Semi towing rigs if there is no RV trailer attached. I do agree that the big brick RVs should have to get a Class B with passenger endorsement as for all purposes, they are driving a bus.

 

[Mace Canute]

There seems to be two parts to every "Can I tow this?" post. One deals with the mechanical aspect and one deals with the Legal aspect and often the Legal aspect seems to be totally overlooked. If you get in an accident, regardless of whose fault it is, and it comes out you are not legal to be on the road, you might not have insurance and you might be charged with driving without a valid license. You might also end up on the wrong end of a lawsuit. Juat saying...

 

[JasG]

you can register a pickup truck in NY for any weight you want to. your registration fee corresponds to that weight. i know of poeple registering 1-ton dodges (late 90's) for , 35klbw so they can legally pull JD 650 foresty dozers on triaxle trailers. its wayyyy over GVW or whatever, but the state does not care, its only about $$$. there're reg fees are much higher, but thats all the state cares about.

You are so wrong on so much it's hard to know where to begin. In NY you can register a truck for any weight, but it is not legal. You can not go over the GVWR or the GCWR or you are over weight. Again just because some do it and get away with it doesn't make it so. If this were the case no one would ever get a ticket for over weight, just register the truck for as much as you could ever possibly cram on a load. Some states you can get away with it, believe me NY isn't one of them any more. Some states with go by axle and tire rating, again NY isn't one of them. My brother drove in NC and all they cared about what registered weight. NY has a rep on other boards I go to of being the most strick now and being stopped away froma DOT check point is more common.

Maybe 15 years ago I used to see people pulling dozers and backhoes with 1 ton trucks around here. Not anymore, and I have seen troopers have 1 ton trucks pulled over and what looked to me like they were scaling them. I know they have portable units that they can request when needed.

Now I have read where they are even scaling 1 ton trucks with plows and salters in some areas of our state. This was on a snowplow forum I happened to come across a few weeks ago while helping a friend decide on a plow. Or maybe these people are just spreading mis-information?

The last point as Mace Canute pointed out, what do you think will happen in NY should you get in an accident? Try explaining that to a jury, you are driving a truck rated for GCWR of 18000 lbs and your pulling 30000 lbs. I don't even know if your insurance would pay at that point.

NY started cracking down probably 10 years ago on everything with towing. Now that the state is looking for money in the past 18 months they are really going after everything.

 

[RobertN]

This is interesting, because I would expect strict strict rules and enforcement here in the Peoples Socialist Republik of Kalifornia.

They do not want pickup size trucks at the scales here. Signs post that before every scale.

I got pulled over once for 65mph in a 65mph zone while trailering my Kubota. Well, in Calif, max tow speed limit is 55mph... CHP showed absolutely no interest in the load. Didn't look at my chains/binders or anything. Was only interested in my speed.

I am one though, that has plenty of trailer for the tractor, chains/binders on each corner ect. My Kubota is pretty light weight.

As for your signs, I see them in the SE that say ALL TRUCKS,TRUCKS-TRAILERS. None say No Pickups. And my title says Truck even though it is also labeled as Private. I guess all the other duallys with trailers that pull in at the weigh stations are wrong too.? Not! As for your CDL, even a Class B license can get you into the overweight, oversize, overlenght range.

 

[firefighter jim]

Need to move a 6000 lbs tractor. I have a 16' trailer with two 3500 lbs axles(should carry 7000lbs?) I have a 2005 Z71 Suburban to pull it with. I do not have weighted plates on the truck. Legal in NC or not? I can get a 4.5 ton trailer if needed, but would like to use the one I have if possible. Need to move the tractor about 60 miles.
Thanks,
BS

Don't do it. The tractor plus the weight of the trailer will far exceed the trailers rating. Be safe.