Buying Advice 80 PTO HP RANGE

[dweems]

Hello all. Im a new member to this site but I have visited it many times for the last few years.
I have recently sold a Ford 4000 and a Kubota L5030 HSTC both with loaders. I have found myself without a tractor for the first time in 15 years.
I had to sell to raise capital for a business investment I'm working on but I will be able to purchase a new one in a month or so.
Looking for advice on 80 pto hp tractors. I am looking for a tractor with 4 wheel drive, power reverser, front loader, 3 remotes and a large cab. I have had Kubotas for years and they have all been great tractors but I'm looking to see if there are better values out there. I have been looking on the different forums and visiting dealerships to test drive some of the brands that I'm not familiar with. So far I have checked out the Kubota M9540, Zetor Promixa Power 90, Massey ? 90 hp and the New Holland T5060. I wall told to stay away from the New Holland TD series but other than that I'm pretty open to any brand for my next tractor.
Basically I will use my new tractor for shredding( looking for a 15' batwing), FEL work and possibly pulling a round baler in the future on a little over 100 acres in Northeast Texas.
Question #1 Is the 80 HP PTO range big enough to pull a round baler?
Queston #2 I heard that Case IH has the same tractor as the New Holland T4.75, if so what it the model of the case? And do they have the equivilent to the T4.90 which NH has not released yet?
Question #3 Which brand has the best resale value?

Thanks for any and all comments.

 

[rdbigfarmboy]

Best resale in most parts of the country is probably Deere like a 6420 its probably German made.
Best tractor for the buck is probably the Zetor made in poland or Ugoslavia.
Case and NH are part of Fiat so their models are either Italian, Turkey or India or other Asian made depending. MF is Agco and is made in about the same places as Fiats models.

90 Hp is good for most anything.

 

[WilliamBos]

Depending on which MF you are looking at, it will be built in Beauvais,France, and eventually Jackson, Minnesota. That covers 5400, 6400, 7400, 7600, 8600 series.

Prety sure the 2600 HD are Brazillian built.

Good luck.

 

[foreman Etexas]

J75c But they are going to be like the Kubota 7040 in HP. Im sure they will have the same as the 4.90,they are same tractors one just blue other red.

 

[cowski]

if i was purchasing a new 80 horse tractor i would look at them in this order john deere 6230 then jd 5095m then kubota 9540 then a mccormick cx95 then a massey 5455 .i would consider others if they were a lot cheaper.of my above list i think the mccormick can be bought the cheapest the deere's the highest.if it was going to be a lifetime tractor i would lean toward the jd or kubota.good luck in your future purchase.

 

[Zebrafive]

I would look at John Deere 6xxx series. 5xxxM series, and 5xxx series. The 6xxx series are quite a bit bigger and heavier than the 5xxxM and 5xxx series and offers more options. Love the Power Quad . All can be had in the HP you want. Look at both and decide which size you want and then start looking for that series.

 

[Martian]

1. 80 PTO is way more than you need for a round baler. What do you plan to do with all that tractor? I'm all for bigger is better, but I have a budget too!

2. New Holland and Case are owned by Fiat under the brand name CNH (clever, right?) So yes, they are the same tractor.

3. Deere, Kubota, Massey, NH, Case - In that order.

I would take a look at the Deere 5M series. As far as features go, I think they are second to none. But it comes with a price . . .

 

[WilliamBos]

1. 80 PTO is way more than you need for a round baler. What do you plan to do with all that tractor? I'm all for bigger is better, but I have a budget too!

2. New Holland and Case are owned by Fiat under the brand name CNH (clever, right?) So yes, they are the same tractor.

3. Deere, Kubota, Massey, NH, Case - In that order.

I would take a look at the Deere 5M series. As far as features go, I think they are second to none. But it comes with a price . . .

I would not rank Kubota ahead of MF. Once you get up into the bigger tractors, the Kubota is light years behind. No Dynastep for one, which is the cats meow.

 

[Martian]

I would not rank Kubota ahead of MF. Once you get up into the bigger tractors, the Kubota is light years behind. No Dynastep for one, which is the cats meow.

You're probably right there. Kubota is a lot better in the smaller market, where JD, Massey, NH and Case are much more preferred in the larger.

 

[WilliamBos]

You're probably right there. Kubota is a lot better in the smaller market, where JD, Massey, NH and Case are much more preferred in the larger.

Kubotas price point myst be pretty good though. I have seen quite a few of their Utility tractors popping up in the area. Local Case dealer sells them. Nice to see more competition.

 

[D7E]

At the moment i would say the MF is "best" tractor but kubota would be interesting if price was right

 

[cowski]

hey d7e how many of them mf's do you have? why would you say they are the best? that dynastep transmission ,is it the one that stops if you pull a wire off it bush hogging? really need a good dealer with a trained mechanic to work on them.the mccormick cx95 is basically the same tractor as the older caseih cx95,which in my opinion is better than the fiats cnh sells now. i think kubota makes a good 80 horse tractor,they sure sell a lot of them. buy the way a 6x5 baler sometimes can use 80 plus horses.

 

[WilliamBos]

hey d7e how many of them mf's do you have? why would you say they are the best? that dynastep transmission ,is it the one that stops if you pull a wire off it bush hogging? really need a good dealer with a trained mechanic to work on them.the mccormick cx95 is basically the same tractor as the older caseih cx95,which in my opinion is better than the fiats cnh sells now. i think kubota makes a good 80 horse tractor,they sure sell a lot of them. buy the way a 6x5 baler sometimes can use 80 plus horses.

That sounds like you are trying to breed paranoia. How many times have you actually seen that happen? That transmission has been in service since 1996. It has proven reliability.
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[MFRED]

Pretty much anything with a power shuttle is going to have electrical control of some sort that could be subject to a fault in the field. Operator awarness usually helps keep breakdowns to a minimum. If brush cutting were one of the primary jobs, some protection should be added to the underside of the machine to protect a number of things.

If you're buying an 80 PTO hp tractor with any kind of modern features, dealer support should be towards the top of the wish list.

 

[cowski]

i am sorry you feel that way,but i know of a fleet of them late model mf tractors that are getting traded because of it .that seems to be the only problem with them.maybe if the dealership had a better mechanic that could get them going faster it would not happen.is it just a small problem? the last 2 years the state of alabama has had its surplus auction.in those auctions there were several 5000 series mf's advertised with bad transmissions or motors.as these were 500 to 1500 hour tractors,i would hope it was just a wiring problem not blown motors and stripped transmissions.if you wish to look it up the jm wood auctions of montgomery sold them.

 

[boggen]

quick search for "round bailer" and see a range between 40 to 100 HP at the PTO. the larger the HP at the PTO the larger the round bailer you could get for larger round bails.

Round Hay Baler | Case IH
John Deere Round Balers

15' bat wing rotatory cutter. (bush hog) quick search showed min 45 and high end of 200+ HP at the PTO.

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size of the machine, you might look into any sort of "monitoring equipment" for newer round bailers. or if you plan to use the tractor for GPS navigation for field work.

check on creeper gears. (lower gear ratios)

if field work besides bailing, perhaps rear dully option 4 tires on rear vs 2.

round bail spear for the FEL (front end loader) and making sure you have enough counter weight in the rear. to stack round bails 2 high. other words rear tire weights or filled rear tires, or 3pt hitch ballest box/weight box. or some other heavy weight 3pt hitch implement.

if you are dealing with hills for round bails and need to drive up them while using round bailer, you might think about front weights, if you remove the "FEL" or added weights to the FEL.

3pt hitch bail spear can come handy along with round bail spear for FEL. so you can double up on round bails when removing from field. and placing on a trailer or driving to some location for storage.

heavy duty grill guard, for front of tractor. if ya bush hogging.

for bat wing use, easy access to radiator and 1 to 2 hyd oil coolers. so you can blow them out from dust to weed seeds and like. with easy access to air filters.

for FEL work, rear ballest would be needed most likely for max use of FEL, so rear tires loaded, or rear wheel weights, or 3pt hitch ballest box or some other heavy 3pt hitch implement.

pending on use of FEL, if digging, a removable tooth bar. for the front bucket, i say removable. so you can remove and back drag with front bucket.

if going with cab, and using the tractor to move round bails. would make sure you have front work lights, that set high up on the cab. so if you have round bail on front. you can see were you are driving as the sun goes down. due to regular headlights most likely blocked by the round bail.

for the 3 remotes, double check on type of lever/valve you get for each one. for position control to float, to other. so you can adjust things easier.

 

[D7E]

That sounds like you are trying to breed paranoia. How many times have you actually seen that happen? That transmission has been in service since 1996. It has proven reliability.
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Absoluteley , Even Our first dynashifts back in the 90's ..6160's, 3120,6190's, 8130's were excellent , all 2500hr a year tractors . Cab and transmission were why the drivers liked them .

 

[Guesseral]

How about this
LS Tractor USA

It should be worth a look if you have a dealer around you.

 

[dweems]

At the moment i would say the MF is "best" tractor but kubota would be interesting if price was right

Thanks D7E. The local Massey Dealer was out last week when I stopped by and the lady that showed me their inventory didnt know that much about them. I had a voice mail from the Dealer when I got in so I will get with him tomorrow. I have always had good luck with Kubota and actually tested a M9540 for the weekend getting round bales out of the field a couple months ago. They are nice tractors for right around 50K, I just wanted to look at all my options.

 

[dweems]

How about this
LS Tractor USA

It should be worth a look if you have a dealer around you.

I will look into this tractor. There is a dealer close by. I see that it is almost 1000# heaver than the M9540, which by the way is one reason I'm looking around. I feel like a heaver tractor is better. I also like the longer wheelbase and the fact that it comes with 3 remotes. Have you had any experience with LS?