a gun....a tool?

   / a gun....a tool? #51  
As my second oldest son turned 10, his fancy turned to his older brothers BB gun. As an avid hunter/outdoorsman, this pleased me. Unfortunately, his aim was better than his wisdom. I found this out when I discovered the headlights shot out on the Ford 9N tractor I was getting ready to restore. His reply when I asked him what happened to the tractor : "Oh Dad, you don't wanta fix up THAT ole thing..."! /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
That was 10 years ago. The tractor is fine, but I never did get around to fixin' the headlights. Kind of a reminder I guess. That son shares my enthusiasim for the outdoors, so I guess it was all worth it.
 
   / a gun....a tool?
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#52  
Cowboy, that's just the point. He would never dream about using one of his other guns so carelessly. Target practice around the house? Never! But this was....'just a BB gun' in his mind. Now he knows that 'just a BB gun' can be destructive too.
 
   / a gun....a tool? #53  
Richard, I'm glad you said that and not me but I sure was thinkin something about learning by example. ie guns by front door, loaded ones in the closet, but you know me I try not to say anything. notta, zip, zilcho. I do remember this about dad. I earned my place a few times with that razor strap. You know back when you wouldn't go to jail for punishing your kids when they actually needed it. I deserved every one I got and I truelly believe each one hurt him more than me. But when dad would let it fly about not haveing any common sense or being stupid or I even picked up that intoneation It was enough to make me madder than a hornets nest and loose a lot of respect for my parents. Generally when kids act out its for one of two reasons, they are down right mad about something or they learned by example. To be fair that can Sometimes that came come from external sources but it sure makes me cringe right down to my very last pinky toe to hear any parent say their child has no common sense. OUCH! PS. After I shot my best friend ( he deserved it, lol) I did not hunt shoot, camp, fish or do squat for a full year. I mean no skeet, no 22 no Boy Scouts, Best wishes to all. No one said it would be easy, its a good thing too ! Kindest Regards, Dave
 
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#54  
Just for the record, my son was not acting out, he did a dumb thing. Dumb, dumb, double dumb. He knows it, he admits it, and his self esteem is well intact and functioning normally.

When he does a dumb thing he is told he did a dumb thing. When he does a smart thing he is told he did a smart thing. I may be old fashioned but I never did get the concept of handling kids with well....kid gloves. It was not the way I was rasied either.

I can relate to what you say. It used to make me mad as a hatter for anyone to say anything remotely like I was stupid or dumb, but the end result of that was that I applied myself and learned not to do dumb things, and to speak and carry myself in an intelligent manner. I think it's human nature to get angry when someone refers to you as less than intelligent. It's what you do after that that determines the person you will ultimately be. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
   / a gun....a tool? #55  
Boondox,
Your wife may not be impressed, but I certainly am. Being able to hit a half dollar at 300 yards is fine shooting with whatever firearm you want to talk about. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Mike
 
   / a gun....a tool? #56  
"Now he knows that 'just a BB gun' can be destructive too. "

Not only destructive.. but deadly.. there was a news story out some time ago.. small child was shot & killed w/ just a BB gun. Young children are "softer" then adults.. the BB penetrated his chest cavity and hit his heart.
 
   / a gun....a tool? #57  
Well put and I agree. But I do think its a bit of a tough nut to swallow that jimmy didnt know a BB gun was a gun. How many BB's were in that meter ? I want to be clear that I am not judgeing I am just shareing my thoughts and honestly I am only doing that because you asked. Handeling firearms the way you have mentioned is in my minds eye unconscionable and irresponsible with children in the home. No exceptions, no excuses. Doing a dumb thing with a gun . hmmmm. Again just from my view is not just a bad jimmy go do some chores no no. But then thats why most of us started with a BB gun. You have to learn to respect them first. Then you get to hunt, shoot and be a young adult. Please forgive me for being presumptuous but it seems that was a step that was skipped or not learned adequitely. I can not help but wondering what little good it does to lock his guns up and then leave others in the open. I am sorry we can not agree but I do want to stress that we are all different . Dave
 
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Yes, and granted, and it's hard to make an educated judgement without all the fcats, I understand that.

We all make mistakes and misassumptions, Jake not excluded. He shot what he concieved as a handy target, an inanimate object, not a person or an animal, something he assumed was useless. Bear in mind his crime was not in using the gun, it was in his choice of targets. He could have shot BB's into an empty cardboard box all day long and I wouldn't have cared. I think it did surprise him that it did as much damage as it did, but until I called him on it, he never dreamed that he destroyed anything important.

He started out at seven with a hunter safety course and followed that up with an additional gun safety handling course. He knows how to handle firearms. He's been hunting a stand alone for five years. He can identify the shells for every gun we own. He has taken apart and put together nearly every gun we have, cleaned oiled, etc.

He just had a UPS delivery yesterday, the stock he had on his .243 split and since it was still under warranty he mailed it in and got a new one and put it on himself. He had to ask me to open the safe of course but, other than that he handled all of it on his own. Looked up the address for the mfr, packaged the broken one, mailed it, and so on. I was very proud of him.
I keep trying to talk him into going into ballistics in some form either for the military or the police department maybe even forensics. He wants to be in wildlife management. He's only fourteen so he's got time.

He knows what a 'real' gun can do. A BB gun can do harm, but depending on the model is typically not deadly or even seriously dangerous, short of putting out an eye and he would never aim a gun at anyone, loaded or unloaded BB gun or not. Even a slingshot can put out an eye. He knows better than that.

I know people today who are still walking around with BB's under their skin from childhood mishaps. I myself have been shot with a BB gun before but it seems to me that they are making them a litle more powerful now than they used to.

Anyway, the BB gun is locked in the safe with all the others, except the shotgun by the door and now never gets used. I don't know what will come of it. I imagine it will discreetly disappear at some point. I appreciate your concern, but remember I live in this house too, danged if I want to be accidently shot. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Another thing. Jake goes regularly to the hunt club where guns are left out all the time during season. No one there locks up their gun between hunts. He HAD to learn how to act around them. Some lean in the corner, some hang in the rack, some are left loaded, some are not. None are touched by anyone but the owner without express permission for just that reason. Thanks for your concern though. I do appreciate the fact that you care, and cared enough to respond.

Little "Jimmy" (grin)

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   / a gun....a tool? #59  
Cindy, with all due respect I think that is a little naive. I thought were talkin 10 here. At 14 I would hope for more of that "common sense". You are correct I do care as do thousands, perhaps millions of NRA members who support both financially and with volunteer time shooting safety, ranges, habitat improvement. All of the children of today are the future of tomorrow. I know it sounds terribly corny but it is the simple truth. And gosh yes we sure all do make mistakes, like wise we should all learn from them. The shooting sports have enjoyed an enormous increase in members in recent years due to the ladies getting involved. I hope All of you enjoy the shooting sports, Safely, now and in the future. It is terribly important to me to leave My piece of the world better than I found it and support that which I believe in so it will be there for our future generations. Sincerely, Dave
 
   / a gun....a tool? #60  
Only trouble with it is, like I had to obey the rules. Not point it at anyone, or shoot any bird or animal. To watch where I aimed it etc. But of course they weren't watching all the time, so I shot a few birds when I knew they weren't around to see me. Kids do these things, I think they all do. Of course I never shot anyone and have done alright in life as I got older, so I guess it didn't hurt me, even if I was pretty dumb back then. Glad I don't have any little kids now, not sure how I would feel about them having a BB gun. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
 

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