A National Ban on Bowhunting Deer?

   / A National Ban on Bowhunting Deer? #101  
All I am trying to point out in this thread is that 2 very powerful groups, who have already amassed a $95 Million warchest, are joining together with a common goal.

I wonder how much money the NRA and the pro hunting clubs have ?
 
   / A National Ban on Bowhunting Deer? #102  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Unless they are aware of it now and keep their eye on the activities of these nutball anti-groups.)</font>

Bob, I couldn't agree with you more. I haven't deer hunted in over 10 years now. The last deer hunting I did was with a bow. If I ever started to deer hunt again, it would be with a bow. In my opinion, it is much more equal in sport for the deer.
That however is a totally seperate issue from the "regulation" issue. I think we all need to be very vigilant with the small infringements on our rights. Look at the bigger picture. It does work it's way up the ladder, and an infringement on ANY type of hunting is an infringement on ALL types of hunting. If you support hunting at all, you had better support any type of hunting when it comes to dealing with these idiotic animal rights activists.
The only positive thing I can see in all of this is the fact that when the nut cutting is all said done, we will be the last ones left with the guns! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Ken
Ken
 
   / A National Ban on Bowhunting Deer? #103  
"I wonder how much money the NRA and the pro hunting clubs have ?

Rough_Cut"

Silly comment get silly replies.

They have enough money to protect our wildlife and ensure the animals will be around for future generations.


Eddie Walker
 
   / A National Ban on Bowhunting Deer? #104  
How's it more sporting for the deer? Because you have a bettter chance of missing? A better chance of missing = a better chance of a wounded animal running away which = another + for a ban on bowhunting. That's the logic anti-bowhunting groups will use.

Last night I watched some show on the dish. Can't recall the name. Some guy was bowhunting mule deer. He had 35 stalks, took 15 missed shots, and hit one deer, tracked it for 5 hours, but lost it. He finally got one that died about 65 yards away from where he hit it. He was going on about how he hates to lose an animal that he has shot, that it occasionally happens to all bow hunters and he was sick about losing the animal. Gee, I was sick that he took 15 shots that missed. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
   / A National Ban on Bowhunting Deer? #105  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Every single animals rights organization has a group of leaders earning six figure saleries, flying first class and staying in 5 star hotels. )</font>

Where do you get this stuff? That's patently absurd and untrue. If you mean HSUS and the other one we're talking about here, it may be true, though I'd like to know your source, but MOST animals rights organizations are run completely by volunteers who spend a lot of their own money.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Every hunter knows that you have to protect the animals to keep them around.)</font>

I have to say, I doubt this one too. I would agree if you said many or even most, by every hunter knowing this and understanding this I think streatches believability. There are ignorant people everywhere and at least some of them must be hunters. I'm sure you have stories of moronic hunters shooting cows and dogs or not adhearing to No Hunting or No Trespassing areas and even hunters who are willing to hunt animals to extinction for the sport.

I'm not fundamentaly disagreeing with your points, but defining ALL people who run animal rights organizations bad guys just in it for the ego and the perks and ALL hunters as good guys with hearts of gold doesn't seem fair or likely.

Cliff
 
   / A National Ban on Bowhunting Deer? #106  
I have tried to stay away form the posts that are "ON THE EDGE of being POLITICAL" as I posted a reply in a different thread that got me chastised for stating that I thought that this National News Story would lead to more calls for banning this or that" I do not recall my post as getting nasty in any way but they were removed by the moderator and I think the post/thread was removed in it's entirety?. BUT here I wanted to say my opinion right or wrong that they CAN and COULD and MAY just get away with banning/regulating away our rights as they have in the past and continue to do. This is more of a NATIONAL ISSUE with us (as in everyone) loosing some form of freedom/freedoms be it "Bow Hunting or driving using a radar detector" everyone needs to be more vigilant on our government as it is For the people and BY the people, not for themselves to create more USE for themselves! I can know that there are state & county bans on hunting of just about any kind be it by gun bow or big ole honking rock. Some regulation is good lots of it is bad period.

I&#8217;m not getting all high & mighty here but pleases try and get into contact with you&#8217;re appointed officials and let you&#8217;re thoughts feelings and ideas be known. Probed or against it is not as big of a fact as letting them know how YOU feel on the issues.

Yes sounds like a get out and VOTE speech but in all reality voting is a small part of making sure our rights freedoms and country remain FREE and not &#8220;kinda sorta free as long as you do this that and the other&#8230;&#8221;

Mark M
/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
   / A National Ban on Bowhunting Deer? #107  
not cofusing that is what I am talking about, here we call it registration, although by all accounts it means nothing unless there is trouble with a firearm, then officials can check on who bought what
 
   / A National Ban on Bowhunting Deer? #108  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( There is another sad aspect to this. The Humane Society of the US has done a lot of good things and there are a lot a good people working with them and for them. But as with many organizations like this, the fringe seems willing to work harder and push harder and so the these organizations tend to drift outward toward the edge.

I'd hate to see the good and useful efforts of the HSUS reduced in order to put more effort and more money into objectives such as a national bow hunting ban.

Cliff
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Don't confuse the HSUS with your local Humane Society. The HSUS is an animal rights organization, not animal welfare. They get their money because people think they are donating to the local animal shelters, when in fact they have nothing to do with animal welfare. They are a pro-animal rights organization just like PETA.

Everyone needs to take these nutjobs seriously. It is people just like them which convinced the British to ban hunting with hounds. I guarantee you that they will try to get some form of hunting banned in the US for starters.
 
   / A National Ban on Bowhunting Deer? #109  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( How's it more sporting for the deer? Because you have a bettter chance of missing? A better chance of missing = a better chance of a wounded animal running away which = another + for a ban on bowhunting. That's the logic anti-bowhunting groups will use.)</font>

It's more sporting for the deer because MOST hunters wouldn't take a shot past 30 yards with a bow, which I would consider a long shot at a deer from a stand. It's no big challenge to shoot a deer with a high powered rifle, with a high dollar, high powered scope. So for one, the deer has to be much closer. That in and of itself I think increases the odds in the deers favor. With a rifle you can shoot AT a deer from a distance that he probably wouldn't even wind you if he was down wind. At that distance a strong gust, or a small twig can deflect a bullet, assuming your rifle is sighted in perfectly, depending on the muzzle velocity and distance your not necessarily going to hit where you were aiming. To me that means a bow is much more sporting for the deer.

There are lots of idiots out there with high powered rifles who try to make impossible shots, just because they can see the deer in the scope. I'd bet a paycheck that there are many more non-lethal gun woundings of deer than bow woundings, and I am sure just as many if not more misses. Thats why I'm saying in my opinion this whole debate is about slowly chipping away at hunters rights in general, to the animal rights activist it's not all about bow hunting. It couldn't be any more obvious to me. None is so blind as he who will not see.

As far as your logic statement; Anti bowhunting=anti hunting, and these groups use no logic at all, just an opinion for their argument. Argument does not equal logic.

Ken
 
   / A National Ban on Bowhunting Deer? #110  
<font color="blue"> Gee, I was sick that he took 15 shots that missed </font>

That guy either flat out sucks with a bow and shouldn't be hunting with it; was shooting from way too far of a distance; or he never sited in his bow before going out for the hunt.
 

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