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JSUnlimited
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Carry it. I have plenty of helpers that is, if they want to stay warm.
Add-On Wood Burning Furnace Install - *UPDATE*
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I have an indoor wood boiler on my old farmhouse - well actually that is the only heat source it had from 1926-1972, not there is an oil furnace as well. The house is set up with a wood room, throw-down shute & all.
You'll like the indoor I'm sure. Much less wood needed.
When the chimney was added, it gets tied into the wall right? They cut the siding out? Just curious how that part works. For no particular reason, other than curious.
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You'll like the indoor I'm sure. Much less wood needed.
When the chimney was added, it gets tied into the wall right? They cut the siding out? Just curious how that part works. For no particular reason, other than curious.
--->Paul
mrcaptainbob
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We did similar, only used the Central Boiler. It's been in place for a year now and is the sole mode of heat for the house and domestic water heater, as well. We had a Silver Dollar Saver at the other house and was located in the basement. This was back in the day when we, too had 'helpers'. The new (old) place is about 3600 sq ft and full of drafts. But that stove keeps us toasty warm now. Takes about an hour's worth of cuttin', splittin' and stacking to equal a weeks worth of heat. There's no more smoke in the house, no more wood mess either. I usually load it about mid-day and at 5 degrees with a 10/15mph wind it'll last a day. I use the fel to get it from the wood stack to the stove, and that aids in more seat time... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Either way, indoor or outdoor, you'll be pleased....
djradz
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I did that too for several years, then lugging it down the stairs finally became enough, and too unsafe to boot. Now we have an outside Bilco basement entry, but with the stairs taken out. I can get about 2-1/2 face cords in it by just backing the trailer or cart up and tossing it down. Then, when we need wood, we just open the regular outside steel door in the basement, and there the wood is, all nice and dry and even a little warm. Works great!
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Mega Me,
Very nice job on the chimney, and yes, it does make the house look good! Beenthere does have a good point on an outside chimney plugging easily. I have one myself, but only an 8" flue, and you have to burn carefully, means mostly hot fire if possible, and let that fire roar once a day! These days they have anti creosote forming logs that you can burn. One thing I found about a straight chimney with no cap, durring the off season humidity and rain will deposit most creosote at your cleanout for you. Good luck with your new unit!
scotty
Very nice job on the chimney, and yes, it does make the house look good! Beenthere does have a good point on an outside chimney plugging easily. I have one myself, but only an 8" flue, and you have to burn carefully, means mostly hot fire if possible, and let that fire roar once a day! These days they have anti creosote forming logs that you can burn. One thing I found about a straight chimney with no cap, durring the off season humidity and rain will deposit most creosote at your cleanout for you. Good luck with your new unit!
scotty
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Nice job on the chimney!
I went to the Web site you had linked - NO stoves (nada/ zip/ zilch) in stock.
Side note, we just put in a pellet stove (30,000 BTUs baby) that heats up the house nicely. Had to take the new floor model. When we placed our order in the first week of September we were told that it woudl be in and installed by October 8th - then we were told that they were sold out and wouldn't have anything until the end of February '06 - made a quick run to the dealer and agreed on the floor model.
I went to the Web site you had linked - NO stoves (nada/ zip/ zilch) in stock.
Side note, we just put in a pellet stove (30,000 BTUs baby) that heats up the house nicely. Had to take the new floor model. When we placed our order in the first week of September we were told that it woudl be in and installed by October 8th - then we were told that they were sold out and wouldn't have anything until the end of February '06 - made a quick run to the dealer and agreed on the floor model.
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JSUnlimited
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djradz,
I'm like you, carrying it down the steps won't last long. I'm seriously considering adding a basement door next year. Alhough I have also thought about trying to find one of those old cast iron doors that used to be on the old houses for coal delivery. My thoughts were to put that on and just toss the wood into a bin made on the inside.
I'm like you, carrying it down the steps won't last long. I'm seriously considering adding a basement door next year. Alhough I have also thought about trying to find one of those old cast iron doors that used to be on the old houses for coal delivery. My thoughts were to put that on and just toss the wood into a bin made on the inside.
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rambler,
They cut the siding out just enough for the total width of the chimney (flue-liner, block and bricks). Then they added some sort of reflective type insulation of the house sheathing and tucked some up under the siding. I guess the insulation takes quite a bit of heat before burning, good to know in case the liner get breached. Matching J-channel was installed and then as they laid up the chimney, they just used ties every so often to the studs and at the trusses near the top. There is nearly an 1-1/2" airspace between the chimney block and the house and another bit of airspace between the clay liner and the chimney block. Of course the brick only covers 3 sides until up past the roofline and it sits right next to the chimney block.
They cut the siding out just enough for the total width of the chimney (flue-liner, block and bricks). Then they added some sort of reflective type insulation of the house sheathing and tucked some up under the siding. I guess the insulation takes quite a bit of heat before burning, good to know in case the liner get breached. Matching J-channel was installed and then as they laid up the chimney, they just used ties every so often to the studs and at the trusses near the top. There is nearly an 1-1/2" airspace between the chimney block and the house and another bit of airspace between the clay liner and the chimney block. Of course the brick only covers 3 sides until up past the roofline and it sits right next to the chimney block.
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BTW fireman,
Thanks for the comments. We were VERY lucky to get the furnace we bought because TSC stores all over the place were selling out as fast as they were gettting them in. Most were on back order for who knows how long!
Thanks for the comments. We were VERY lucky to get the furnace we bought because TSC stores all over the place were selling out as fast as they were gettting them in. Most were on back order for who knows how long!
JimMorrissey
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Mega,
Totally worth the extra money IMO. Looks great! Much better looking that stainless and I believe it will add value as you mention. Keep us posted on its functionality and performance.
Totally worth the extra money IMO. Looks great! Much better looking that stainless and I believe it will add value as you mention. Keep us posted on its functionality and performance.
buckeyefarmer
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Nice looking chimney.
Would the builder like to come to MD and build me one?
I have the foundation done, but mason work costs here is out of sight.... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Would the builder like to come to MD and build me one?
I have the foundation done, but mason work costs here is out of sight.... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
djradz
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The advantage of the Bilco-type installation is it keeps the wood covered, and somewhat warm, but not inside. Bugs seem to therefore stay in the wood and not venture out into my basement. Plus, I don't have the wood taking up space in my basement. It certainly would be a more major project however than just adding a coal door/chute and bin, but it is very easy to load, versus having to stack it in the basement. Good luck either way and hope some warm fires are ahead.
JimMorrissey
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I'm blown away by masonry costs here too. Who said every child needs to go to college. The masons I know all have nice houses and camps on the lake. Hard work pays off. I bet all the immigrants are rolling over in their graves. I believe it to be a simple supply and demand situation. Nobody wants to learn a trade anymore.
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Mavrik02
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Very nice project! I can't wait to hear how it heats the house and how much burn time you get out of a load of wood.
I have a Quadra-Fire fireplace in our house. It is a cross between a fireplace and a wood burning stove. I can load it up, close the doors, turn on the blower and it blows warm/hot air into the house for up to five hours before I have to add more wood. It heats all of the house except two bedrooms that are on the first floor. It is a pain to keep draging the wood into the house and since I have been running it ~20hrs/day, 7days/week since October I have been consuming a LOT of wood and have had to rethink my wood placement and stocking strategy.
Good luck!
I have a Quadra-Fire fireplace in our house. It is a cross between a fireplace and a wood burning stove. I can load it up, close the doors, turn on the blower and it blows warm/hot air into the house for up to five hours before I have to add more wood. It heats all of the house except two bedrooms that are on the first floor. It is a pain to keep draging the wood into the house and since I have been running it ~20hrs/day, 7days/week since October I have been consuming a LOT of wood and have had to rethink my wood placement and stocking strategy.
Good luck!
Paddy
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Now that you have the venting of the smoke and gasses, you need to think about the air feeding the stove.
People often don't consider the source of the combustion air. With out an outside source, it will pull from every crack. It doesn't matter how well you sealed the house, air will come from outside, i.e., cold air!
I have used 1-1/2" to 2" PVC pipe from the out side direct to the stove. If you go through the band board, (that is above concrete but below floor), you won't need your buddy to drill the conrete again. Have the pipe end about 10" away from the stove intake. When you have a nice fire on a cold day you can feel just how much cold air is pulled in! When the stove is not in use, just throw a cap on it. In fact when the stove is not running, it won't pull much cold air.
I did this for my fire place as well but of metal.
Patrick
PS. You can't over do it keeping your flue clean!!
People often don't consider the source of the combustion air. With out an outside source, it will pull from every crack. It doesn't matter how well you sealed the house, air will come from outside, i.e., cold air!
I have used 1-1/2" to 2" PVC pipe from the out side direct to the stove. If you go through the band board, (that is above concrete but below floor), you won't need your buddy to drill the conrete again. Have the pipe end about 10" away from the stove intake. When you have a nice fire on a cold day you can feel just how much cold air is pulled in! When the stove is not in use, just throw a cap on it. In fact when the stove is not running, it won't pull much cold air.
I did this for my fire place as well but of metal.
Patrick
PS. You can't over do it keeping your flue clean!!
ruglad03835
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Nice Job. Good Luck. Just make sure everone in the house knows how to run the stove ( everyone that possibly will be running the stove) I work in the Oil and Propane business and remember a customer who almost melted down a wood fired boiler because of 3 mistakes. 1) someone turned off the automatic water feed. 2) No one looked at the pressure gauge on the boiler. 3) someone stoked this thing and opened the damper. When I got there the temp gauge read 250 degrees. I turned on the water feed, which thankfully filled from the bottom up. This boiler started to shake when I refilled it. Everybody was lucky that day.
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This you probably already know, or it will say in the manual, but on 'first' fire-up, there will likely be hot oil and burned paint smoke that fills the air and trips a few smoke detectors. Also, a stink that is not so pleasant.
It will pass, but can be a bit annoying at first.
One thing I had happen, with a clay thimble like yours in the concrete wall, was the inserted stove pipe expanded and cracked the clay tile. Just thought about that as I saw your long clay thimble sticking out into the room with the black stove pipe stuck inside. I don't have any suggestions on how to avoid it, although a good heavy clamp around the outside of the clay tile may help.
It will pass, but can be a bit annoying at first.
One thing I had happen, with a clay thimble like yours in the concrete wall, was the inserted stove pipe expanded and cracked the clay tile. Just thought about that as I saw your long clay thimble sticking out into the room with the black stove pipe stuck inside. I don't have any suggestions on how to avoid it, although a good heavy clamp around the outside of the clay tile may help.
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Hopefully I cover the last couple of replys,
Mavrik02, I have not even lit the this thing yet...but I do have at least a face cord carried down the steps and let me tell you.....I'll have a walk-in basement by next winter!
Paddy, I've been thinking about the "combustion" air supply situation. I'm going to do the famous "wait and see what happens" before I change anything else.
ruglad03835, being accustomed to the fire service and the fact that we always have some sort of "inservice"....believe me, we'll have an inservice here!
beenthere, that's a 8" thimble and the pipe is only 6". The HVAC guys pushed the black pipe through the thimble until it just reached the flue. There is a little room for expansion/contraction, so hopefully no cracks.
Still no fire yet...low voltage dampers out of stock (to keep gas furnace from fighting with wood furnace). Monday is going to be 70 degrees with thunderstorms....also the first day of deer gun season!
BTW, thanks for all of the feedback.
Mavrik02, I have not even lit the this thing yet...but I do have at least a face cord carried down the steps and let me tell you.....I'll have a walk-in basement by next winter!
Paddy, I've been thinking about the "combustion" air supply situation. I'm going to do the famous "wait and see what happens" before I change anything else.
ruglad03835, being accustomed to the fire service and the fact that we always have some sort of "inservice"....believe me, we'll have an inservice here!
beenthere, that's a 8" thimble and the pipe is only 6". The HVAC guys pushed the black pipe through the thimble until it just reached the flue. There is a little room for expansion/contraction, so hopefully no cracks.
Still no fire yet...low voltage dampers out of stock (to keep gas furnace from fighting with wood furnace). Monday is going to be 70 degrees with thunderstorms....also the first day of deer gun season!
BTW, thanks for all of the feedback.
Mavrik02
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Yesterday I loaded up my 60" bucket four times with wood and dumped it outside one of the doors to my great room. The wife asked if I was going to stack it...I just looked at her...she said "I guess it'll go pretty quickly so no need to stack it". Yep! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Paddy brings up a very good point.
When I close my fireplace doors (they are air tight) and have the outside combustion air vent open and the hot air blower on (into the house) it actually creates a positive pressure in the house and cold air does not try to get in.
If I leave the outside air vent closed (combustion air pulled from inside the house) there is so much house air going up the chimney that you can actually feel the house sucking the cold air in around the doors and window frames (anywhere it can get in...and my house is pretty tight).
Paddy brings up a very good point.
When I close my fireplace doors (they are air tight) and have the outside combustion air vent open and the hot air blower on (into the house) it actually creates a positive pressure in the house and cold air does not try to get in.
If I leave the outside air vent closed (combustion air pulled from inside the house) there is so much house air going up the chimney that you can actually feel the house sucking the cold air in around the doors and window frames (anywhere it can get in...and my house is pretty tight).
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