Adding a "bumper" winch

/ Adding a "bumper" winch #41  
A buoy would make a good way to pull a log, I would think. Also I have a pto winch I would part with, it is a tulsa not sure of capacity but I am guessing 20,000 lbs. It is off a power company line (digger-derrick truck) I have a pto shaft with it. You would have to make a carrier to mount it.
 
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/ Adding a "bumper" winch #43  
My tractor is really small, but with some ballast weight. 4wd and chains I can skid some good size tree sections. Our trees are often 80-100 feet tall, so they have to be cut into sections to snake them out anyway. For larger stuff I built a log arch; this is handy when I want to mill the logs, since it keep the crap out of the bark.

- Bart
 
/ Adding a "bumper" winch #44  
My brother and I actually log for money. We use a skidder and a tractor. On the tractor we had a hydraulic grapple. Then I added a hydraulic tow truck winch. Then we bought a Farmi.

But in your case, just use chains. Cut a 3 link piece and put a hook on each end. That's the fastest way to take up your slack and get another bite. I pick up chain at pawn shops. Can't have too much chain.
Great idea. So simple.
 
/ Adding a "bumper" winch #45  
Does it make sense to attach a winch to a tractor to help act as a logger? I see HF has a 12k winch on sale and was thinking...
I don't have many logs to move, dozen or so, but they are on a slope I don't care to drive my tractor down. It is steep.
It can also help pull you out if you get bogged down in water, mud or whatever.
 
/ Adding a "bumper" winch #47  
Does it make sense to attach a winch to a tractor to help act as a logger? I see HF has a 12k winch on sale and was thinking...
I don't have many logs to move, dozen or so, but they are on a slope I don't care to drive my tractor down. It is steep.
You could also purchase break away snatch blocks and cable to pull the trees up to a landing.
 
/ Adding a "bumper" winch #48  
And for another, opposite, opinion. KNOWING it would be slow, I bought a Champion 4,500 lb winch at TSC. I chose it specifically because it has a wireless remote even though it has only a 35' cable. That way I can be up by the log being pulled to make sure it doesn't get hung up. I mounted the winch to a piece of plate steel with "keepers" underneath spaced for the forks. When mounted the plate is connected back to the tractor frame. In use the forks are on the ground, there is to stress on the loader.

Now why do this instead of pulling with the tractor? Well I do that too but when you have to get a log out and have no room to pull a distance, going back and forth with the tractor is a pain. On, pull forward, off, remove the chain from the drawbar and get it out of the way, back the tractor up, reattach chain, rinse repeat. I prefer to leave the tractor planted than dig ruts in the trail.

I'm not pulling full logs if they are large. Depending on the diameter I cut the tree to 8-12' lengths. I only winch those to the trail then can use the quick hitch as a logging arch to pull them to an open area where I can pick them up with the forks (no 3rd function/grapple) and carry them through the field back to the barn where I do the bucking and splitting.

Yes I have to pull the winch cable back out every 35' and reconnect it into the pulling line (12,000 extra low stretch line)/tow straps/chain (yeah I have a real hodge podge of stuff), yes it is slow. I leave the tractor running so the battery doesn't die. I've not had the winch overheat. I don't pull very many trees, just enough for winter firewood. If I pulled a large quantity I'd fork over for a logging winch, would love a nice Wallenstein, but for the amount I do the cost is not justified.
 

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/ Adding a "bumper" winch #49  
I'm looking at putting a PTO barrel wench, I was a Wench Monkey on a racing sailboat when I was younger. Loved them.
 
/ Adding a "bumper" winch #50  
Does it make sense to attach a winch to a tractor to help act as a logger? I see HF has a 12k winch on sale and was thinking...
I don't have many logs to move, dozen or so, but they are on a slope I don't care to drive my tractor down. It is steep.
The only way to go but its expense but satisfying !
Created a winch system just like you are thinking. Used it once and sold it to a fellow that just wanted something to drag a few logs up a mountain.
I bit the bullet on cost and purchased a Hudson 45M. 100% satisfied with it and basically if you take care of it you will be able to get most of your money back if you decide to sell it.
I tried to find a used one and the few I found were priced 80% of new cost and sold on first day of listing. Most people buy one and end up leaving it to their beneficiaries.
Once you own one you don't want to do without it.
Your cheap alternative is to by enough cable and pullys to pull up hill. They also make a motor winch ($1,000.00) that when running you wrap rope around spinning pulling but I don't know how much weight it can pull.
 
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/ Adding a "bumper" winch #51  
Like Rambling man mentioned, I strap snatch blocks to sturdy "pulling trees" and re-direct the pull for the best line for the tractor to take, usually straight down a slope, sometimes re-directing twice using wire or strong fiber rope, I do sometimes chain/strap a pulley to the log to be pulled for a pulling strength advantage
 
/ Adding a "bumper" winch #53  
Does it make sense to attach a winch to a tractor to help act as a logger? I see HF has a 12k winch on sale and was thinking...
I don't have many logs to move, dozen or so, but they are on a slope I don't care to drive my tractor down. It is steep.
From a YouTube video on winching logs and such I made this up for my 3 pt. Had a large 30 inch log that I couldn't get traction due to soft soil layer and a slope. Took about 5 minutes to drag that oak log 50 feet. Used an old rear blade and cut it down to act as a holder in the ground.
 

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/ Adding a "bumper" winch #54  
With your tractor at the top of the slope, maybe use long straps/chains to tie onto the log. Then back up as far as you can, stabilize the log, re-set the strap/chain and back up again. Just keep doing that until the log is at the top.
I would pull from the rear. More pulling power, and wheel lugs are set for pulling forward, not backward.
Good to have a quick hitch on the 3 ph to hook to, for better traction as well.
Use a snatch block to help locate the position of the cable for the best pull.
 
/ Adding a "bumper" winch #55  
Thank you both. I have the chains and straps to do so. I've only got 50 to 100 feet to drag. Would backing up hill be better to help prevent backflip? I'd still be fastening to drawbar.
The loader is not built/designed to pull back on something.. designed to push forward. But backing or pulling forward is something you need to decide.
 

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/ Adding a "bumper" winch #56  
It really comes down to what you’re doing. I’m cleaning up an area we selective logged in 2016, just picking up what’s down for firewood. I bought a good 3-point boom pole for my Massey Ferguson 204; the pole has an eye at the end and at the halfway point. I had an old Powerwinch in the shop, one of those square 3,500 lb. rated things used mostly for loading boats. Free is a good price, so I adapted the trailer ball mounting plate and put it near the base of the boom pole.

Yeah, it’s a PITA using a winch with no power out, just a knob you turn to “de-clutch.” But I hung a little bitty block on the boom pole, used a snatch block to double the line. This serves to get the end of a log off the ground. Usual cautions apply: don’t pull too hard or too high, especially off to the side (easy to exceed rating of the boom pole), but we’re just bringing downed second growth to where I can buck them into firewood and my wife can process them with the hydraulic splitter.

If seriously yarding logs, you want a good PTO winch, with good steel cable that will stand up to abrasion. I did a lot of work with the 10,000 lb. Ramsey PTO on my 1966 International 1300 4x4. I kept 150 to 165‘ of good 3/8” line on the drum, and the truck had a Mico brake lock from a wrecker. A 10,000 lb. electric means that under ideal conditions, fresh battery and only one layer of line on the drum, it will just barely pull 10,000 before stalling out. A 10,000 lb. PTO is rated to pull 10,000 but with a V8 engine driving it, it will pull until something breaks. Use common sense.

I have a 9 year old 10,000 lb. Harbor Freight electric winch on a 2” receiver mount I built, used mainly for loading dead cars onto my 16’ trailer. I could put it on my 3-point 2” receiver, and I did put an alternator on the tractor. But there’s no need for a big winch on the tractor for getting in firewood. Don’t even consider spending tons of money on a big winch if your need is merely to get a few logs up a hill. Borrow a couple blocks and some line, and do some rigging.

Remember, electric winches are for occasional short term use, and synthetic line doubly so. Great combo for getting Jeeps unstuck. I will consider synthetic line when I see Loggers using it on their equipment. Before you spend a dime, think about what you actually need and about the stresses and loads involved. Then Keep It Simple. 👍
 
/ Adding a "bumper" winch #57  
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Don'tg you have a front loader on your tractor? It is the best whinch you can have. I use mine regulary whith approved chains, A couple of added length wi do the job, most of the time.
Zetorboy
 
/ Adding a "bumper" winch #58  
1) The cheapest solution: chains, snatch blocks, cables (but useless if the tractor gets stuck)
2) The inexpensive solution: A cheap Harbor Freight winch mounted on the three point hitch. I mount my winch on a two inch receiver plate (also cheap at HF) and use it when needed in the two inch receiver I can mount on the three point. (Thus I can also switch it to my Pickup when needed.) I power it with old jumper cables to the battery. (Very useful if the tractor gets stuck, particularly since you can chain it to the front if you need to pull out that way - been there, done that)
3) The expensive solution: Get a PTO or hydraulic made-for-logging winch. Useful if you are doing every-day commercial or semi-commercial pulling, too expensive for occasional use. (And if you get stuck you can only pull out backwards)

Over the years I have found a combo of 1 and 2 to fit my needs on my hilly tree farm. I've alwas wanted a PTO winch, but could never justify the cost.

MF
 
/ Adding a "bumper" winch #60  
Not for quite the same purpose, but I installed a winch on the front of my Kubota ride on mower/lawn tractor. Despite the 4WD I kept getting stuck in the winter, and didn't have the tractor at time, so came up with this as a cheap way around it.

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It doesn't get used for long periods of time so the power draw isn't a concern and it has got me out of a number of sticky situations - both for pulling the mower when it got stuck, and pulling logs and other heavy stuff. The winch was fairly cheap, about £100 (about $140 or so).

I fabricated the mount out of 3mm plate (excuse my welding!):

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