Advice from Kodiak/Topkick or F650 owners

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   / Advice from Kodiak/Topkick or F650 owners #21  
workinallthetime said:
im as general motors as they can get but those fords are good lookin maybe even better lookin than gm but i didnt say that and you didnt hear me say that.

check out this bad boy c7500 4x4 made for the navy to pull attack boats out of the water

workinallthetime,

Have you seen my 4800 4x4 in my pictures?
 
   / Advice from Kodiak/Topkick or F650 owners #22  
looks like a good one man, i have a chance to buy a used one for 9500 its a 2 wheel drive unit with a 4something inline 6 gas burner.
I think im going to look for a 1 ton duelly with an 8.1 gas and a dump/flat bed next year. i have got to ease into all this. got a new b3030 today and a zd326 a few months ago. like you im in business for myself, but i do lawns,landscape, and tractor work.
 
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   / Advice from Kodiak/Topkick or F650 owners #24  
DieselPower said:
In my opinion GM and Ford are "auto" manufacturers wanting to play with the big truck group guys. International and Freightliner are true truck manufacturers.

I guess when you forget history.

GM and Ford are hollow shells of what they once were, but its safe to assume either one of those corporations knows more about manufacturing and engineering just about anything mechanical than International or Freightliner ever did.
 
   / Advice from Kodiak/Topkick or F650 owners #25  
KICK said:
I guess when you forget history.

GM and Ford are hollow shells of what they once were, but its safe to assume either one of those corporations knows more about manufacturing and engineering just about anything mechanical than International or Freightliner ever did.

Is this a late April Fool's day joke? You're really trying to tell us that FORD knows more than IH/Navistar in terms of trucks or diesel engines???? (you said anything mechanical, manufacturing or engineering)

Did you know that IH is the WORLD'S LARGEST producer of medium duty diesel engines?? They're also the WORLD'S LARGEST producer of medium duty trucks?

They also just colaborated with MANN of Germany at a plant in Huntsville, AL to build a new line of 11 & 13 litre big bore diesel engines that make 1700ft lbs of torque at 1000 RPM? What diesel did Ford ever build that comes close to that? International : News Detail

IH also ranks as one of the world's largest producers of class 8 heavy OTR trucks.

Not to mention that F-650/750 Ford trucks are built on an assembly line that is a JOINT VENTURE (Blue Diamond) between Ford & IH using IH frames and IH technology to help build Ford's "big" trucks?

Or that Ford uses IH diesels in their Superduty trucks?

Ford dumped class 8 10 years ago and never built a diesel engine that earned much respect. The 6.6L & 7.8L "Brazilian" diesels were never in the same quality class as IH DT diesels. Boat anchors is what they really were.

So please, tell me about how Ford could possibly match IH in medium/large truck production or in diesel engine building???
 
   / Advice from Kodiak/Topkick or F650 owners #26  
L39 when you say

The 6.6L & 7.8L "Brazilian" diesels were never in the same quality class as IH DT diesels. Boat anchors is what they really were.

are you talking about the durimax?
 
   / Advice from Kodiak/Topkick or F650 owners #27  
workinallthetime said:
L39 when you say

The 6.6L & 7.8L "Brazilian" diesels were never in the same quality class as IH DT diesels. Boat anchors is what they really were.

are you talking about the durimax?

No, heck no.

Back in the early-mid 80's, Ford & New Holland offered 2 new diesels- one was a 6.6L and the other was a 7.8L. They were designed to be tractor/industrial diesels and were also used in Ford M/D trucks (like F-700's, 800's and some of the smaller "L" series trucks, like the L-7000, L-8000, etc.)

They were produced for about 10-12 years in a plant in Brazil, owned by Ford/New Holland, so they became nicknamed Ford "Brazilian" diesels. They weren't really all that bad...boat anchors may be a little too rough, but they weren't really anything terribly rememberable, either. I had a 6.6L Ford diesel in an F-700 and it never gave me a lick of trouble.

The funny thing is the GM/Isuzu Duramax diesel just happens to displace the same amount of litres as the old 6.6L "Brazilian" Ford diesel.... Even MORE strange is that the bigger duramax, found in newer GMC 6500/7500's is 7.8L, same as the bigger old Ford "Brazilian" 7.8L diesel.

As you can imagine, the rumor mill already has started that the Isuzu company may have borrowed the blueprints for the blocks for their 6.6L & 7.8L diesels from the old Ford Brazilian diesels.

Quite a bit of coincidence going on there, huh???????

Wouldn't it be amazing if it were true and find out these awesome new GM diesels actually share some old Ford DNA in them? ;)
 
   / Advice from Kodiak/Topkick or F650 owners #28  
thats to funny i wonder if they had a 4.8/5.2 also?
the 6.6 uses a bunch of technology that the older 4 and 6 cylnder have used for years. pilot injection was on those units and now multiple events each pulse. I dont know if the 6.6 will get the multiple events anytime soon due to bosch builds the injectors for the 6.6 and isuzu builds them for the real d-max engines. funny thing is isuzu does not use a dedicated fuel injecotor control module "ficm" and you have to program the injecotor inot the pcm when you replace one. i bet gm would have alot better luck with the isuzu fuel system than they have had with the bosch.
i was trying to find some old notes but i cant that talked about the expected life and where isuzu 7.8 had a longer life expectancy than the cat. but i cant find the name of the test so i wont go there. we were also preached to that isuzu had produced more diesel engines than any other but who knows. its all propoganda to sell stuff,lol
 
   / Advice from Kodiak/Topkick or F650 owners #29  
L39Builder said:
Is this a late April Fool's day joke? You're really trying to tell us that FORD knows more than IH/Navistar in terms of trucks or diesel engines???? (you said anything mechanical, manufacturing or engineering)

Did you know that IH is the WORLD'S LARGEST producer of medium duty diesel engines?? They're also the WORLD'S LARGEST producer of medium duty trucks?

??

sensitive aren't we.

If you re read what you posted I believe you said that GM and Ford were "just auto manufacturers".

while GM/Ford are mere shadows of their fromer selves between the two companies they have forgotten how to build more things then IH ever attempted.
 
   / Advice from Kodiak/Topkick or F650 owners #30  
workinallthetime said:
thats to funny i wonder if they had a 4.8/5.2 also?
the 6.6 uses a bunch of technology that the older 4 and 6 cylnder have used for years. pilot injection was on those units and now multiple events each pulse. I dont know if the 6.6 will get the multiple events anytime soon due to bosch builds the injectors for the 6.6 and isuzu builds them for the real d-max engines. funny thing is isuzu does not use a dedicated fuel injecotor control module "ficm" and you have to program the injecotor inot the pcm when you replace one. i bet gm would have alot better luck with the isuzu fuel system than they have had with the bosch.
i was trying to find some old notes but i cant that talked about the expected life and where isuzu 7.8 had a longer life expectancy than the cat. but i cant find the name of the test so i wont go there. we were also preached to that isuzu had produced more diesel engines than any other but who knows. its all propoganda to sell stuff,lol

Of course only the 7.8L DMAX could have borrowed anything from the Brazilian Ford diesel designs since the they're both 6cyl diesels. The 6.6L DMAX is a V-8 and the 6.6L Ford Brazilian diesel is a in-line 6 cylinder.

The 7.8L isuzu Duramax does claim a long B life.
 
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