advice pls re 4110 problems

[klink]

GaryK
thanks for the reply, I think I'll make one like you did. the mmm latch is nice when all you want to do is move a trailer in or out of the barn, using the 3pt hitch, and not getting off the tractor to do it /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[Lotek]

Thank you all for the words of experience and encouragement. Yep, at best it was a lousy install, and from the best JD dealer in the area.

The salesman & a service tech came out late Friday afternoon & installed the latch kit, some washers on the mower's J pins to give them tension, the Optima D51 battery I had bought, and did some other minor things. He didn't charge me anything, not even for the latch kit or the grease gun & other stuff he brought. He admitted that they screwed up the assembly & installation, and also admitted he was wrong to advise that the BB stay on when using the MMM. He's making a good faith effort, although the response time could be better.

Anyway, thinking the tractor is finally squared away & ready to do what it was built & bought to do, I go out to do some work with it Saturday afternoon. The good news is that the MMM seemed to stay in place with the latch kit. The bad news is that after less than 10 minutes of light scraping & pushing around a small amount of dirt (barely enough to cover the inside bottom of the bucket, if that much), the FEL arms completely froze up & would no longer raise or lower. The bucket itself still works fine and the hydraulics look to be OK. Gee, 3 times using the tractor & 3 times it c**ps out within 20-30 minutes. I am either the Kiss of Death to tractors or this tractor is a lemon. Doesn't matter which it is, this 4110 is history. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

 

[JClark]

Lotek,

If that Deere dealer is the best in your area I pity the poor soul who bought from the worst. Everything up to the FEL problem is dealer incompetence and neglect. The FEL problem is likely more of the same.

My particular Deere dealer is also incompetent so when I bought my 4110 last summer I only had them take the tractor off the truck and put the wheels on. (They even managed to screw that up.) The MMM and FEL I assembled and installed myself.

From that experience I learned that the MMM suspension system sucks. It requires fiddling, adjusting and patience to keep it just right. The mower deck itself however is the best of any out there. Correctly installed and adjusted it does a much better job than any RMM can do and is way, way more handy. I know this because I also have a 72" RMM I use on my field.

No 4110 (or 4010, 4115, etc) with a MMM should EVER be sold without a latch kit. That your dealer did not include one demonstrates their incompetence. The dealer should also have taken the time to instruct you on how to remove, install, adjust and maintain all the implements.

As readers of this forum know, I have had my own set of problems with my 4110. Incompetent dealer, lazy and arrogant JD service rep and some lousy engineering on the tractor itself. It was no fun but I got through it. Afterward I was intent on selling the 4110 and spent a lot of time looking at other small CUTs. In the end I found nothing with the advantages of the 4110. The alternatives had crappy mowers, clunky FELs and clumsy controls. Pete is right.

Sit down with the dealer owner or manager and tell them you would like these problems resolved without having to go to JD Corporate. Insist on a properly setup tractor, prompt (1 or 2 days) resolution of problems and whatever training is necessary for you to operate the tractor safely and correctly. And absolutely no BFHs!!

 

[bigpete]

<font color="blue"> the FEL arms completely froze up & would no longer raise or lower. The bucket itself still works fine and the hydraulics look to be OK </font>

Disconnect and reconnect your hydraulic quick-connectors to start with. Probably something simple /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[keeney]

I had the lift-circuit quick-connect fail on my 410 loader twice.

The spring clip inside lets loose and the tip no longer pushedshard enough on the mating tip in famale part on the tractor to open it and allow flow.

Easy to check - just disconnect and if the tip is loose or leaking, its probably the same failure.

The dealer said it was a common problem and was handing out replacement quick-connects like they were candy.

I put my own spacer design inside of it that "cannot" fail in that way (spring would have to break now).

- Rick

 

[jd4115]

>No 4110 (or 4010, 4115, etc) with a MMM should EVER be sold
>without a latch kit.

What's a 'latch kit'?

 

[JClark]

This kludge is the solution JD came up with to hold the MMM suspension system up when using the 3 pt hitch. It consists of two short pieces of chain, two turnbuckles, two brackets and two pins. You raise the MMM up as far as possible and then stick the pins through a couple holes and the last link of the chain. It's easy enough to make if you are so inclined.

 

[bigpete]

<font color="blue"> This kludge is the solution JD came up with.... </font>

It's a CUT, not a lawn or garden tractor. Generally speaking, MMMowers on this class of tractor are design afterthoughts. In this class, there is no better solution of which I am aware. I don't mind being corrected, either. Let me know who does it better on a CUT. I think Kubota doesn't even bother trying to suspend their MMMowers once you get above the SCUT level. I think they just roll along on the ground. I don' know what New Holland is doing these days, though.

FWIW, my MMMower and its latch kit work just fine. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[trippert]

Had a similar experience when my 4320 was still at the dealer and they were putting the toothbar on. The loader would tilt but not move up or down-you could hear that the valve was pressuring the line but nothing happened. The dealer and mechs were thinking the lines were crossed or any number of things, but they are color coded, kind of hard to screw up. What it probably was( I think ) since it has happened to me since, one of the lines somehow is not fully connected and will not allow flow. Apparently. the connectors can be almost latched and function for quite a while until they are jarred loose. In my later instance, brush was responsible for moving the latching collar on the connector letting it slide enough to stop flow- and the bucket froze right then. Really had me worried for a few seconds while I figured out what might be the problem. If I hadn't seen the same thing at the dealership it likely would have puzzled me for much longer than it did.