Air Compressor puzzle

   / Air Compressor puzzle #11  
Although it looks good, could that be the problem? I thought capacitors were mf rated.

Most likely. It is mf rated. That cap is rated from 136 to 163 microfarads (MFD). Start caps are always much higher. You can see the bleed down resistor on the top, and the circuit goes through the points (white/red wire). I think the sears tech is saying it doesn't have a "user maintainable start capacitor." As it is inside the motor in this case.
 
   / Air Compressor puzzle #12  
The first step is to ascertain whether the problem lies in the motor or the air head; did you separate the two and determine that the motor alone won't start?
 
   / Air Compressor puzzle #13  
The first step is to ascertain whether the problem lies in the motor or the air head; did you separate the two and determine that the motor alone won't start?

Good point. If the air head has increased in load from low use, the motor won't come up to speed, drawing excessive current and tripping the breaker. Also, make sure you aren't running it through an extension cord. I've seen the same symptoms that you are having in that scenario.
 
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Most likely. It is mf rated. That cap is rated from 136 to 163 microfarads (MFD). Start caps are always much higher. You can see the bleed down resistor on the top, and the circuit goes through the points (white/red wire). I think the sears tech is saying it doesn't have a "user maintainable start capacitor." As it is inside the motor in this case.

Do I have to solder on the resistor? Nothing I've looked at as a replacement seems to carry the resistor on it. The tech is saying nothing is replaceable as the motor is no longer available. But he distinctly stated that this motor doesn't have a separate start cap. Perhaps he did not see two casings on top of the motor as opposed to it being inside.
 
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#15  
The first step is to ascertain whether the problem lies in the motor or the air head; did you separate the two and determine that the motor alone won't start?

If I disconnected all air lines, would that be a valid separation? Piston and fan are still all attached. Same result when I broke air lines. Never had an extension on it. Piston moves freely and easily by hand.
 
   / Air Compressor puzzle #16  
Do I have to solder on the resistor? Nothing I've looked at as a replacement seems to carry the resistor on it. The tech is saying nothing is replaceable as the motor is no longer available. But he distinctly stated that this motor doesn't have a separate start cap. Perhaps he did not see two casings on top of the motor as opposed to it being inside.

You will have to place the resistor back on the new cap. In reading the label on the motor, it seems to say that internally, there aren't any consumer replaceable parts. That is why the tech is making that statement. Almost all AC motors have a start cap. Induction run motors won't have a run cap.

However, as Flyerdan is pointing out, the symptoms you are identifying are high current problems and making sure the load hasn't increased for some other reason, like a mechanical problem with the pump, needs to be ruled out. If you are confident that is OK, then you can keep looking at the motor.

Your motor has 2 windings. You should check the resistance of each to make sure you don't have an internal winding short or open. They should be around 12-16 ohms or thereabouts.

Lastly, and you probably already know this, and more for anyone else who may read this thread, capacitors store energy. If the caps have failed, they are usually safe to handle (shorted internally). If they are good, they can store line voltage. They should always be drained with a drain down resistor prior to handling. That start cap should be safe with the resistor between the two terminals, if still intact.
 
   / Air Compressor puzzle #17  
If I disconnected all air lines, would that be a valid separation? Piston and fan are still all attached. Same result when I broke air lines. Never had an extension on it. Piston moves freely and easily by hand.

I believe flyerdan was looking more along the line of removing the belt if belt driven compressor.
 
   / Air Compressor puzzle #18  
Disconnecting the air lines assures that it is not starting under load of having pressure (which should be sorted via an unloading valve anyway) but there could be a problem in the air head, like a broken reed valve that won't allow it to draw in air. It would indicate fine while turning by hand but at 3450 rpm it would put up quite a bit of resistance.
 
   / Air Compressor puzzle #19  
Replace the cap. You don't really need the resistor. It will work without it.
 

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