ALGE IN DIESAL fuel!

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saparks10 said:
There of course is no pure sulfur additive. If you check the back of many fuel additives you will see a certain PPM of sulfur in the additive. You will not see sulfur alone as an additive, that would be ignorant. Listen guys all i'm trying to say is that sulfur is used in additives to enhance lubricity. Regardless of what the reason is, ULSD has less lubricity. So without an adequate fuel additive there is more wear taking place within older engines. The companies that are refining the ULSD and stripping it of its lubricity are blending additives with the fuel before it is distributed, but the additive package does not compare to the initial lubricity of the fuel before the PPM of sulfur was decreased. It doesnt matter whos additive you use, but you should use one, even if its just to clean the engine and fuel components.

Never said that newer formulations of fuel didn't have lower lubricity, they do. It's just what is lowering the lubricity. :) Lubricity levels as they are mandated are lower then most pump/injector manufacturers would like to see. In this great country of regulations we happen to have some of the worst in the world when it comes to fuel standards. I couldn't agree more that lost lubricity needs to be replaced.

jsborn said:
Did anyone ever answer the original question and help us stop or prevent Algae in small storage drums or tanks? I can't keep it topped off and I don't want Algae so what should I do?

Yes, it was answered somewhere back there. The product you want to prevent growth or kill off existing microbial growth is a biocide.

One of the best way's to prevent growth in the first place is to ensure you keep your tanks topped off. The less air in the tank the less moisture laden air that will get in, the less condensation you will get which will reduce the amount of water in your tanks. The bacteria grow in the boundary layer between the water and fuel. Take the water away and you remove part of their home.
 
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MICROBIOCYDE !!!!!!
BG makes one, and there are various other companies that make them. call your local heavy duty truck shop and they can point you were to go. got a can sitting next to me right now
 
   / ALGE IN DIESAL fuel! #53  
Napa sells something called bio-con (sludge sediment remover) made by crc but it doesn't say a thing about aglae. Any idea if this is a biocide? What are some biocide products?
 
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saparks10 said:
I believe skypup will disagree on this one though.
Isn't all this discussion based on chemistry, i.e., facts?

If so, what is there to disagree/agree with? Facts are either true or false, not right or wrong.
 
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MikePA said:
Isn't all this discussion based on chemistry, i.e., facts?

If so, what is there to disagree/agree with? Facts are either true or false, not right or wrong.
I think there is confusion because everybody has a computer. If you research any topic on the computer you will almost certainly find mixed results. One website says this and another says that, and there's no one to differentiate the facts from the BS. People have different personalities so some choose to believe the BS, of course not knowing that it is BS, and some choose to believe the facts. None of us that i am aware of are actual chemists, so everything is based off of he said she said. Anyone that has a computer and 2 cents can put a bunch of BS on the computer. For example, wikipedia is one of the most commonly used online sources of information, if you try to use wikipedia as a reference in a college course the professor will usually let you know it is not a valid resource because anyone that has access to a computer can put something on wikipedia. Its just enough information to make people dangerous i guess, or whatever they say.
 
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saparks10 said:
I think there is confusion because everybody has a computer. If you research any topic on the computer you will almost certainly find mixed results. One website says this and another says that, and there's no one to differentiate the facts from the BS. People have different personalities so some choose to believe the BS, of course not knowing that it is BS, and some choose to believe the facts. None of us that i am aware of are actual chemists, so everything is based off of he said she said. Anyone that has a computer and 2 cents can put a bunch of BS on the computer. For example, wikipedia is one of the most commonly used online sources of information, if you try to use wikipedia as a reference in a college course the professor will usually let you know it is not a valid resource because anyone that has access to a computer can put something on wikipedia. Its just enough information to make people dangerous i guess, or whatever they say.
I think you should read SkyPups profile.
 
   / ALGE IN DIESAL fuel! #58  
Well, called and spoke with Kenny Foley,tech services of Hydrotex and I know where saparks10 gets his info from.

He also stated that sulfur is a lubricant and that they use sulfur phosphorous technology in many gear lubes to improve lubricity.

Hmmmm, now I need to call PS.
 
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What are some biocide products folks are using and where are you finding them?
 
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AlanB said:
Well, called and spoke with Kenny Foley,tech services of Hydrotex and I know where saparks10 gets his info from.

He also stated that sulfur is a lubricant and that they use sulfur phosphorous technology in many gear lubes to improve lubricity.

Hmmmm, now I need to call PS.

There are numerous different kinds and states of sulfur. There isn't just one sulfur. The type of sulfur used in EP gear lubricants is active sulfur. The term active sulfur refers to the relative ability of a sulfur-containing compound to chemically react with a metal surface to form a metal sulfide. Inactive sulfur compounds do not form metal sulfides under test or operating conditions. The tendency of a sulfur-containing additive to react with a metal surface depends on the composition of the additive, the reaction temperature and the oxidation state of the sulfur in the compound.

The sulfur, naturally occurring as you would find in diesel fuel is completely different. Sulfur occurs in lubricants in several forms. The petroleum distillate fraction of solvent-refined base oils contains organosulfur compounds that carry through the refining process. By contrast, hydrocracked base stocks contain little or no sulfur as a result of the high severity catalytic process by which they are made. Similarly, synthetic base oils also do not typically contain sulfurous components.

Sulfurized Mineral Oils
Sulfurized mineral oil, made by dissolving elemental sulfur in oil by heating, is the most active form of sulfur because of the relatively weak S-S bond in elemental sulfur. Elemental sulfur exists in eight-member rings or long chains. Sulfurized mineral oil will readily stain copper under the conditions of the Copper Corrosion Test (ASTM D130), which uses a copper test strip, submerged in the test oil at 100°C for three hours as an indication of chemical reactivity to yellow metals.

Sulfurized Fatty Acids
Sulfurized fatty acids are made by chemically reacting sulfur with long chain fatty acids. They have a higher thermal decomposition temperature than elemental sulfur, typically around 260°C. As such, they do not readily stain the copper strip in the copper strip corrosion test.

Sulfur-Phosphorus EP Additives and Naturally Occurring Sulfides
Many sulfur-phosphorus EP additives thermally decompose at 250°C to 275°C and again will readily pass the copper strip corrosion test.

Sulfur compounds in solvent-refined base oils, which are also typically sulfides, are even more chemically stable. Both EP additives and base stocks are inactive based on the standard copper corrosion test. However, at the much higher localized temperatures generated under boundary lubrication, both sulfurized fatty acids and sulfur-phosphorus EP additives will decompose and form metal sulfides. Under these conditions, both additives are typically active.

Sulfurized mineral oil and other highly reactive forms of sulfur have the advantage of forming protective metal films at lower temperatures than other sulfur-containing additives. On the downside, they are corrosive to certain metal and metal alloys, particularly yellow metals, which contain copper as a major alloying element.

Modern EP gear oils contain thermally stable additives that promote system cleanliness and do not corrode yellow metals under moderate operating conditions. The goal in formulating top-tier EP gear oils is to develop additive chemistries that will carry high loads under boundary conditions and protect mating surfaces from wear while minimizing corrosiveness to yellow metals and keeping steel gear components clean.
 

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