Alien Invasion - I want my pond back !

   / Alien Invasion - I want my pond back ! #71  
Wow Eric, you have 7 pages all ready and don't even have the water flowing, let alone gotten to the aliens. This post will pass the Good Morning one. You have us all hooked now. :thumbsup:
 
   / Alien Invasion - I want my pond back !
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I did a bunch of science fair experiments with siphons when I was a kid. I still use siphons about every other week to drain our pool cover of rainwater. Also transferring gasoline from a vehicle to a can. Simplest method is as I mentioned above. Only requires one valve if the pipe is larger than your palm. No valve if you can cover the pipe with your palm. Watch this video. Its the closest I can find to what I do. Siphoning begins at 30 seconds. Guy starts 20 siphons in a couple minutes. No pumps. No valves. Don't over-complicate things. ;)

That's a good demonstration of priming by hand.

Perhaps I should have explained earlier that I had to get the water up a small hill, across the top and down the other side before gravity would become my friend. For the first 100 yds it is on a constant rise.

Did the pump make it complicated ? My 30+ year old lawn mower has a little Briggs & Stratton engine. I have always been able to rely on it, although it has a personality all of it's own. It has always started, but I never know exactly when it will start. Usually a couple of pulls, sometimes threes or four, occasionally it wants me to take 30 seconds rest, then it will go second pull. All the Honda engines I've used are the opposite, no personality whatsoever. They just work. This pump had a Honda, a very well used Honda. I checked the tank had plenty of fuel, everything in correct starting position, pulled the cord and ...... it started first time, then ran happily ever after. Well it was a Honda. So no, the pump played no significant part in this, other than to, err, pump.
 
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SIPHON TIME

With the Honda warmed up I set the pump running. I guessed water was going up the hill as the engine sound gradually changed from easy-peasy to a steady determined throb and I set off along the pipeline to double check each joint as the water ran through. All looked good and by the time I made it over the hill water was pouring out of the other end of the pipe. So far so good. Walk back to the sump, pull out the pump connection while keeping the ends under water. A little stiff, pull and twist and pull again and out of the sump came the pipe and into the sump goes my boot. Oh dear, I had just let air into the pipe and water in my boot :ashamed: Empty boot and start all over again.

It was a nice day and I'm the patient type, so nothing really lost. Right, again, pump on pipe, water running, squelch back over hill to check it's coming out, yep, back to sump. This time I made double sure I kept the pipe in the sump as I pulled out the pump. I put my palm over the end and could feel it tug hard. SIPHON :) Found the end of the flexible suction hose from the filter box and tried to get it on the pipe. It was a bit tight and awkward to get on from my position on the bankside. I probably tried too hard to keep the other foot dry when I should have accepted fate and climbed fully into that sump from the outset, but we live an learn and eventually the hose went on. Turn off the pump and peace descends again. Back over the hill to the discharge end to see it running - except it wasn't a discharge end. It was more like an empty-pipe-laying-on-damp-grass end.

The siphon had stopped. :confused3: What had I done wrong, apart from wearing boots instead of waders :confused:

Back to the sump and check filter. Nope that looked ok. Had I miscalculated the relative heights of each end of the pipe ? Didn't think so. I remembered something I had read about dissolved gasses preventing siphons from working. You know how bubbles fizz out when you open a bottle of lemonade ? The same thing can happen in a siphon, gas is released because the pressure in the pipe is lower than outside. Was that it ? Why hadn't I looked into that in more detail. If this water was so gassy it couldn't be siphoned, I would need to go out and buy a few things - lots of fuel and a big slice of humble pie to eat while I tended the pump for days on end.

There could be a much simpler answer. I had put my hand over the end of the pipe to check it was running and then probably obstructed it again as I fumbled with the filter hose. In that time water would still be running out of the discharge end. Could that have been long enough to let air up the outlet ?

Ok, try again and this time make it a smoother change over. Also I reasoned that if I partially bunged up the discharge end until I got it started, it may help restrict the flow enough to prevent air coming back in while I swapped over the pipe in the sump.

Engine on, pump on, let water run for 10 minutes (I'd had enough walking by then to care about checking it was coming out on the other side), smooth changeover, turn pump off, walk up the hill, down other side.

Oh yes, running water. :dance1: Pulled out the restriction and the water came gushing out. :dance1::dance1::dance1:



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   / Alien Invasion - I want my pond back ! #74  
Ok.
Option 1: You give the outlet to a politician and tell him if he sucks hard enough you'll give $10 to his campaign. (won't work because the OP self-reports to be too cheap).
Option 2: you give the outlet to a politician but this time tell him it's a microphone. A very large and constant stream of hot poop will immediately begin to flow from his mouth hole. This high rate-of-flow stream will be perpendicular, and in close proximity, to the hose outlet orifice. The Bernoulli Principal suggests a venturi vacuum will be created thereby drawing water into the hose! Simple!
Give the politician something to filibuster and you can drain the whole pond in a few hours. Or just use it for primeing.

lol, He already got all the poop out of the hose once...
 
   / Alien Invasion - I want my pond back ! #75  
SIPHON TIME

Oh yes, running water. :dance1: Pulled out the restriction and the water came gushing out. :dance1::dance1::dance1:

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Great. The water is running via siphon.

A few of those sheep look like suspicious characters. Do they get involved somehow playing butt the bucket or such? Too much fore-shadowing to be coincidental, at least it would be in BBC crime dramas. :)
 
   / Alien Invasion - I want my pond back ! #76  
HOORAY!!!!

Inquiring minds want to know how many gallons per minute ??? That's a long stretch
 
   / Alien Invasion - I want my pond back ! #77  
Nice touch with the yellow bucket, Eric. Might just save the siphon by preventing the down hill end from coming out of the water. Assuming, of course that the inlet for the pipe is lower than that exit hole?
 
   / Alien Invasion - I want my pond back ! #79  
Just curious. Why put a hole in the side of the bucket?
I would guess that the hose is attached to the bucket and that way the end of the hose stays put (and perhaps the first hole was the wrong size, so he put in a 2nd one?).

Aaron Z
 
   / Alien Invasion - I want my pond back ! #80  
I would guess that the hose is attached to the bucket and that way the end of the hose stays put (and perhaps the first hole was the wrong size, so he put in a 2nd one?).

Aaron Z

I agree with RedNeckGreek.
It could be to keep the end of the hose submerged so it doesn't suck air if the flow stops.
 

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