Amazon?

[caver]

I also found it interesting that private corporations discouraged strongly (sometimes with a firing) discussing salaries amongst your peers as it they wanted to pay as little as possible. Capitalism without morality is nor better than communism.

I learned that life lesson in '88. Working for a contractor that paid chump change but I saw it as a learning experience. A co-worker admitted he was making .50c for than me. I played dumb but it bothered me that I was often trusted with making sure the electrical installs were done right. I was thinking of leaving Florida and going back to Illinois and that little thing helped seal the deal. 50 cents may not sound like much but it was back then. I could have negotiated a 50 cent raise but felt leaving was the better option.

 

[Midniteoyl]

People making less than $20/hr don't have the luxury of moving as they can't afford it.

BS. I've moved 3 times and owned 2 houses (current 14 acres) on less than $20/hr. While raising 2 kids and 2 g'kids...

 

[3Ts]

I learned that life lesson in '88. Working for a contractor that paid chump change but I saw it as a learning experience. A co-worker admitted he was making .50c for than me. I played dumb but it bothered me that I was often trusted with making sure the electrical installs were done right. I was thinking of leaving Florida and going back to Illinois and that little thing helped seal the deal. 50 cents may not sound like much but it was back then. I could have negotiated a 50 cent raise but felt leaving was the better option.

A person at a company I worked for got another job offer for more money. When she told her boss, they countered the offer and she accepted and stayed. When raises came around 6 months later she didn't get one because "she had just gotten one 6 months earlier" and there was an implication that she was overpaid so may not get a raise for awhile.

 

[3 Horse Ranch]

$15 an hour is not a livable wage unless you have at least somebody else also working. Moreover, moving costs money and involves risk that some people because of personality or circumstance cannot afford to take that risk. Do you expect employers paying $18 or $20 an hour to cover the cost of moving expenses?

FWIW, since I try to not be a hypocrite (I try), I pay people working hourly for me at least $20 but oftentimes, way, way more than that (I'm a real estate broker so I occasionally need people to drop everything and knock out a punch list so we can go to close).

Do you pay the cost of their medical insurance, social security ... like Amazon does?

 

[Dftodd]

A person at a company I worked for got another job offer for more money. When she told her boss, they countered the offer and she accepted and stayed. When raises came around 6 months later she didn't get one because "she had just gotten one 6 months earlier" and there was an implication that she was overpaid so may not get a raise for awhile.

I had that happen when I got promoted several years ago. Got a decent raise with the promotion. Boss put me in for a good raise at normal time. Divisional president stepped in and gave me a nickel.

 

[JDZ735M]

Once in a while, Wally World has good online deals. Last summer I was buying 5-gallon pails with free shipping of synthetic motor oil and synthetic grease for $50 a pull.

Chinese grease.

 

[jyoutz]

Chinese grease.

Not always true. Much of the Walmart super tech lubricants are made by US companies.

 

[JDZ735M]

Not always true. Much of the Walmart super tech lubricants are made by US companies.

Look at the buckets. Sinopec.

 

[jyoutz]

Look at the buckets. Sinopec.

Maybe the grease. The motor oil isn’t.

 

[tradosaurus]

BS. I've moved 3 times and owned 2 houses (current 14 acres) on less than $20/hr. While raising 2 kids and 2 g'kids...

50 years ago on one income on less than $20/hr?

Try that now.

 

[tradosaurus]

A person at a company I worked for got another job offer for more money. When she told her boss, they countered the offer and she accepted and stayed. When raises came around 6 months later she didn't get one because "she had just gotten one 6 months earlier" and there was an implication that she was overpaid so may not get a raise for awhile.

Good lesson there to not accept a counteroffer. I told my sons to look out for themselves and make decisions in life that benefit them. Because no one else will.

The day's of company loyalty are over.

 

[tradosaurus]

I beg to differ with you on that one. $20 an hour on the east and west coast won't go very far. But in other states $20 an hour will get you a nice home and very comfortable lifestyle.

To clarify, I stated "less an $20/hr", but using $20/hr ($39K/yr) and no other source of income I would find it very difficult to live on that in my rural area unless I rented and had my car already paid.

 

[Dftodd]

50 years ago on one income?

Try that now.

Ummm.... my kid bought a house 5 years ago making $16 per hr.

So might wanna rethink your statement.

As said before. $20 a hr is a comfortable living in certain parts of the country.

 

[tradosaurus]

Ummm.... my kid bought a house 5 years ago making $16 per hr.

So might wanna rethink your statement.

As said before. $20 a hr is a comfortable living in certain parts of the country.

One income, no help from family, decent house?
Find that hard to believe and I guess "comfortable" can mean different things to different people.

 

[Dftodd]

One income, no help from family, decent house?
Find that hard to believe and I guess "comfortable" can mean different things to different people.

Yup, and put herself through nursing school as well. The only thing we paid for was books.

12 years ago, I was the soul breadwinner making $18 an hr with a family of 4. House, mortgage, car payment, ect...... plus moved to a different state.

Like I said before. Cost of living varies across the country. What may be poverty in one part of the country, can be a pretty decent wage and comfortable living.

Now if all your doing is spend... spend... spend.... trying to keep up with the Jones, then yeah, your gonna struggle.

Our area before covid you could buy a house for half of what you would pay for rent.

 

[TheMan419]

To clarify, I stated "less an $20/hr", but using $20/hr ($39K/yr) and no other source of income I would find it very difficult to live on that in my rural area unless I rented and had my car already paid.

I live in a low cost of living state. Even here on $20/hr even as a single person you are not going to live in anything approaching the lap of luxury. You would have a small apartment and a basic car if you wanted to have any savings toward retirement at the end of the month. Certainly not a rural lifestyle like most of us on here live.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

I beg to differ with you on that one. $20 an hour on the east and west coast won't go very far. But in other states $20 an hour will get you a nice home and very comfortable lifestyle.

How much do you believe in total annual pay is a comfortable lifestyle?

 

[MinnesotaEric]

A person at a company I worked for got another job offer for more money. When she told her boss, they countered the offer and she accepted and stayed. When raises came around 6 months later she didn't get one because "she had just gotten one 6 months earlier" and there was an implication that she was overpaid so may not get a raise for awhile.

The same thing just happened to my niece's husband this summer. He is a carpenter and both he and my niece are eager to move out of their large city and up into the sticks to be near their extended family. I got him lined up with a job in my neck of the woods at $28 an hour to start with the range going up from there. He was making $30 an hour running a crew for a builder in his large city. The builder upon finding out that one of his leads was trying to move away offered to pay him $35 an hour and more benefits. My niece and her husband elected to stay another year or two in their big city and so I sold them the condo they had been renting that happened to go onto the market.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Ummm.... my kid bought a house 5 years ago making $16 per hr.

So might wanna rethink your statement.

As said before. $20 a hr is a comfortable living in certain parts of the country.

We had homes for less than $70K for sale five years ago, but today not so much. A starter home now is at least double that, needs work, and because of a lack of inventory, gets multiple offers here in BFE.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Chinese grease.

Yes, and rated to CAT standards.