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   / Amazon? #291  
Some bad math back a few pages. A couple of different posters referred to $20/hour at $38k or $39k.

Here's the math: 40 hrs x 52 weeks = 2080 hours (A number I teach kids to memorize). 2080 x $20 = $41,600.

For rough figures, just do 2000 x rate...still $40k.
 
   / Amazon? #292  
I met a man somewhere who'd retired from AT&T. We were barley acquaintances and he was moaning to me about the breakup of that company. I call that loyalty.
There is a lot of truth about what tradosaurus said about a sense of "family" in business companies back in those bygone days. Most people could and would work in the same company till they retired. Something happened to morality, and human values evaporated with the hippie generation. Things went progressively downwards since then. It's dog eat dog now.
 
   / Amazon? #293  
There is a lot of truth about what tradosaurus said about a sense of "family" in business companies back in those bygone days. Most people could and would work in the same company till they retired. Something happened to morality, and human values evaporated with the hippie generation. Things went progressively downwards since then. It's dog eat dog now.
Different generation, different times. Those seen as job hoppers were frowned upon at hiring time.
Hippies had very little to do with it.
 
   / Amazon? #294  
Different generation, different times. Those seen as job hoppers were frowned upon at hiring time.
Hippies had very little to do with it.
I was not putting the blame on the hippies themselves. It was the onset of the deterioration of American traditional values.

Amazon today is emblematic of a mechanical AI culture we want. God is out, we are in. Equality is out, equity is in. This means you split hairs over what is fair and what is not. You don't give me an inch and I don't give you squat. This is the new morality.

Amazon employees want better conditions. Who don't? Farmers also want better working conditions. They would all want to unionize against God if they could to stop foul, unpredictable weather patterns and pestilence wiping out their crops and livestock.
 
   / Amazon? #295  
Different generation, different times. Those seen as job hoppers were frowned upon at hiring time.
Hippies had very little to do with it.
Which times are those? Philip Bailey called it photogenic memory. Looking back on the past as if it were better than it actually was.
 
   / Amazon? #296  
Which times are those? Philip Bailey called it photogenic memory. Looking back on the past as if it were better than it actually was.
Exactly. If you think businesses and people had more values and were more moral "back in the day", or that crime wasn't as bad, or a lot of things, history would disagree with you. We used to enslave other humans for profit and call it righteous, we'd straight up murder fellow Americans who dared to protest deadly working conditions, we would invade other countries and install homicidal dictators just because we didn't like who they freely elected as their leader, or because it meant cheaper stuff for us back home. That's just recent history too, the further back you go the more heinous, vicious, and horrifying it gets.
 
   / Amazon? #297  
My Dad who started work in 1950 would have disagreed with you. He felt the petroleum company he worked for was like a family.
"They" probably didn't feel the same way. It's a fallacy. Companies do not have feelings. The people who work there do.
 
   / Amazon? #298  
I met a man somewhere who'd retired from AT&T. We were barley acquaintances and he was moaning to me about the breakup of that company. I call that loyalty.
Maybe you do but he probably just misses a good job he had which he had trouble duplicating in the new job hunting world he was thrust into with the breakup of the old company. He may have lost some bennies, suffered a job change, reduction in pay, management may have changed and the new manager was no longer as appreciative of his effort, etc, etc.
 
   / Amazon? #299  
Some bad math back a few pages. A couple of different posters referred to $20/hour at $38k or $39k.

Here's the math: 40 hrs x 52 weeks = 2080 hours (A number I teach kids to memorize). 2080 x $20 = $41,600.

For rough figures, just do 2000 x rate...still $40k.
Not all get two weeks paid vacay.
 
   / Amazon? #300  
Not all get two weeks paid vacay.
What is your point? If you don't get paid vacation, you work 52 weeks. You also look for a different job. Others get 4-6 weeks paid vacations. Lots of jobs don't pay by the hour either. People frequently confuse self employment with lack of benefits. In a free society, workers with unsatisfactory benefits have choices. Paid vacation is not a legal requirement, but most companies provide it. Why? The company either recognizes that people burn out or they just want to be competitive as an employer. Either way, most people who work full-time as an employee get paid time off.
 

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