Amsoil vs. Kubota Super UDT2

[motownbrowne]

Where are you buying #315 for $20 a gallon?

All the prices I see on it, are close to $40 a gallon. Which is nearly as much as Amsoil ATH.

In these parts, Amsoil synthetic tractor fluid is $30/gallon.

 

[motownbrowne]

I have no doubt that Amsoil or Schaffers are good oils, but when I need a new suit I don't buy a "one size fits all", I have a taylor make one that fits exactly. i.e. Kubota oil in a Kubota.

That makes sense, but the using one fluid in your entire fleet has advantages too. Maintenance is easier, obviously, but if a feller has several tractors that use the same implements which use hydraulics (like a log splitter, or anything with a remote cylinder), the fluid is gonna get mixed anyway. What's the point in putting different fluid on different machines only to cross contaminate them?

 

[orezok]

That makes sense, but the using one fluid in your entire fleet has advantages too. Maintenance is easier, obviously, but if a feller has several tractors that use the same implements which use hydraulics (like a log splitter, or anything with a remote cylinder), the fluid is gonna get mixed anyway. What's the point in putting different fluid on different machines only to cross contaminate them?

My "fleet" consists of one tractor

 

[tjkubota93]

I wonder how many people using all these real scientifical words to describe oil have the scientifical qualifications to use them? Hahaha

 

[WayneJessie]

I have no doubt that Amsoil or Schaffers are good oils, but when I need a new suit I don't buy a "one size fits all", I have a taylor make one that fits exactly. i.e. Kubota oil in a Kubota.

All of your manufacturers UTFs are just that-"One size fits all". That's why the OEMs got together and came up with UTF. Not enough difference in Kubota, JD, NH, MF, Case UDT oils to worry about. They all are designed to do the same thing in any unit calling for UTF. Nothing unique about any of them.

 

[sixdogs]

All of your manufacturers UTFs are just that-"One size fits all". That's why the OEMs got together and came up with UTF. Not enough difference in Kubota, JD, NH, MF, Case UDT oils to worry about. They all are designed to do the same thing in any unit calling for UTF. Nothing unique about any of them.

True. But not all are synthetics and the cold flow characteristic that come with it. Kubota SUDT2 is synthetic and I think, because of that, my B7800 doesn't whine with it and hydro syc shuttles in thebigger tractors work quicker, easier and better with SUDT2. I tried the other stuff and the synthetic is better. As more synthetics are introduced, these cold issues will go away.

Amsoil is a synthetic as well, I'm pretty sure, but I don't know about it.

 

[mkreitler]

ray66v The last time I purchased SCHAEFFER'S #315 was in APRIL 2015 so it has been a while, at that time I bought 20 gallons out the door at the PLANT in ST.LOUIS from my sales REP.for $400.00 cash. Granted it has been a while, I live within a 30 minute drive from the PLANT. and at that price I couldn't go wrong at the time. Sometimes it depends on your sales rep. taxes , and shipping costs etc. Like I said that was in 2015 PRICES in the OIL INDUSTRY as we all know change constantly.

 

[saskfarm1boy]

Good morning to all out there! The test that I did with Amsoil vs regular Case IH brand oil was put them both outside on a -30 degree night in the winter season. (that is in degrees celsius for the Canadians out there!) Anyhow , the Amsoil poured ou the next morning like regular oil , and the CIH oil was like glue! SLOW glue!

That was my test, but if you have an oil pan heater , it is a moot point to some , and not to others. BTW I used a infra-red temperature guage on my Case 2090 tractor (oil pan heater equiped) after about 5 hours of being plugged in at winter time, -20+ below zero and the oil temp was 70 degrees F.

 

[WayneJessie]

Good morning to all out there! The test that I did with Amsoil vs regular Case IH brand oil was put them both outside on a -30 degree night in the winter season. (that is in degrees celsius for the Canadians out there!) Anyhow , the Amsoil poured ou the next morning like regular oil , and the CIH oil was like glue! SLOW glue!

That was my test, but if you have an oil pan heater , it is a moot point to some , and not to others. BTW I used a infra-red temperature guage on my Case 2090 tractor (oil pan heater equiped) after about 5 hours of being plugged in at winter time, -20+ below zero and the oil temp was 70 degrees F.

Where you are cold flow properties may matter. Lower 48 not at all. Even the "poorer" performing group II oils flow well below 0*F which is beyond what we see here.

 

[motownbrowne]

Where you are cold flow properties may matter. Lower 48 not at all. Even the "poorer" performing group II oils flow well below 0*F which is beyond what we see here.

It's been -25F already this winter in Wisconsin. We are a part of the lower 48, and I sure like the way that synthetic fluid performs in my tractors versus dino oil.

 

[Copperhead]

I have no doubt that Amsoil or Schaffers are good oils, but when I need a new suit I don't buy a "one size fits all", I have a taylor make one that fits exactly. i.e. Kubota oil in a Kubota.

Problem with your thinking.... Kubota doesn't make it's own oil. It is outsourced. Just like Honda brand oil... i have hauled a lot of Honda labeled oil from plant to distribution and Honda doesn't make their oil either. Same for Ford Motorcraft. Just because the OEM label is on the container doesn't mean it is the best thing going. It only means that it meets the minimum requirements and someone won the bid to make it.

And I would be willing to bet my retirement on the fact that whoever is producing Kubota's oil also produces products for a lot of other house brands. Did a little scrounging on the net and found references to Ashland as a the maker of Kubota's oils, at least the N. American variety. The same folks who make Valvoline and some other labels.

 

[brandoro]

I have been using Amsoil products since the early '80's. Very pleased with the products in every case so far.
My B3030HSDC is my second hst tractor and is on its second change of Amsoil fluid in the transmission. Points I can make from my experience, vastly reduced whine from the transmission when working and flows well at very cold temperatures. Flow based on the hydraulics all working similarly to warm weather operation. My tractor cost close to $30,000 Canadian. Trying to save a few dollars on a fluid change doesn't seem worthwhile to me.

 

[liberty2701]

I agree with the Amsoil. I have been using their ATH 5w30 in the HST trans on my Kioti DK50se and a Massey Ferguson with an HST. Huge diff in the cold flow characteristics. The HST is like the heart of the tractor. Pay now or pay later. A few extra dollars goes along way. Become a member of Amsoil and get 25% off plus free shipping at times.

 

[tjkubota93]

If you put Amsoil in a Kubota will they still warranty the transmission? Does it meet their requirements?

 

[ray66v]

If you put Amsoil in a Kubota will they still warranty the transmission? Does it meet their requirements?

Yes, and yes.

Amsoil guarantees their products will not void your warranty. So, do many others.

Federal law also says, a manufacturer can specify requirements, and all you have to do is meet that spec. They cannot make you buy a specific product, or brand, for warranty coverage.

 

[jwnge]

I put synthetic in my Mahindra 2015 this summer because it does get cold here in Wisconsin and it started sooo much easier so far this winter. I am thinking my next trans change will be synthetic also.

 

[orezok]

Problem with your thinking.... Kubota doesn't make it's own oil. It is outsourced. Just like Honda brand oil... i have hauled a lot of Honda labeled oil from plant to distribution and Honda doesn't make their oil either. Same for Ford Motorcraft. Just because the OEM label is on the container doesn't mean it is the best thing going. It only means that it meets the minimum requirements and someone won the bid to make it.

And I would be willing to bet my retirement on the fact that whoever is producing Kubota's oil also produces products for a lot of other house brands. Did a little scrounging on the net and found references to Ashland as a the maker of Kubota's oils, at least the N. American variety. The same folks who make Valvoline and some other labels.

It's true that Kubota, JD and probably any other manufacturer doesn't "make" their branded oil, BUT they do have an outside supplier make "their" oil to an exacting spec with certain additives. Similarly, Kubota and all other tractor manufacturers don't make thier tractors, many of the parts and assemblies are made by out source suppliers to their exact specs. They only put them together.

 

[kenmac]

I have no doubt that Amsoil or Schaffers are good oils, but when I need a new suit I don't buy a "one size fits all", I have a taylor make one that fits exactly. i.e. Kubota oil in a Kubota.

do you do the same with your vehicles ? If you own a ford do you only use ford oil, if chevy, only chevy oil , etc, none of these oil brands make their own oil . chevy ford, etc, doesn't have an oil refinery

 

[Tractor Seabee]

Kubota provides the specs for it's SUDT2. I suspect NH does as well.

I talked to the Kubota Tech dept, they would not discuss SUDT only to state they have developed the specs and determined it is the best product for their HSTs. Also talked to Tech folks at Ashland and Valvoline. They will not discuss the product as it is proprietary to Kubota. They would not even state what if any of their products was equal. How about sharing your inside dope on the specs, I sure cannot find them.

I use a NAPA branded hydraulic fluid and can tell no difference in sound or performance between it and SUDT2 over a use period of 1500 Hrs.

Ron

 

[sixdogs]

I talked to the Kubota Tech dept, they would not discuss SUDT only to state they have developed the specs and determined it is the best product for their HSTs. Also talked to Tech folks at Ashland and Valvoline. They will not discuss the product as it is proprietary to Kubota. They would not even state what if any of their products was equal. How about sharing your inside dope on the specs, I sure cannot find them.

I use a NAPA branded hydraulic fluid and can tell no difference in sound or performance between it and SUDT2 over a use period of 1500 Hrs.

Ron

I have used and compared SUDT2 and can say there sure seems to be a noticeable performance difference between it and other high grade oils in Kubota hydros and hydraulic shuttle shift Kubotas.. The only thing I can figure is the viscosity and that the SUDT2 is thinner so it flows better at cooler temps. I also think because it is synthetic and that has something to do with it. I don't know but do know it's good stuff from a performance standpoint.

But, I've only compared SUDT2, which is synthetic, to other non-synthetic oils because not many people make synthetic oils. I do think when synthetic oil becomes more available available it will equal Kubota oil but that's just beer talk on my part. Maybe that's why they are quiet on it? Anyway, I use SUDT2 in five gallon buckets in those Kubotas mentioned and regular oil in gear drive things and that works for me. Plus, I can easily buy it.

Besides, Kubota has been a stand-up company that defends it's owners on warranty issues that look sketchy, brings great stuff to the market and has fought the entire industry in earning market share and customer loyalty. Those corporate ideals and giving me marketplace choices previously denied are things I want to support with the few extra $$ involved here. I'm not product blind but they have made a "yuuge" difference in tractors and quality.