An Electric Lesson

   / An Electric Lesson #71  
Dan,

I applaud the achievements of your students. I'm sure you are quite proud of them.

You began with "I do have an idea of what is really going on in elec....." and begin posting some abstract views of how energy is transmitted through conductors. You further qualified your self as teacher with 16 years of experience and continued to post your esoteric view of how things work.

I have provided abundant information complete with credible references, such that you might review and examine your position. I have requested any information you might have to support your view. I received nothing. I further provided reference to the specific theory of conduction in metals and traced it to it's foundation in statistical mechanics. In addition complete references for that effort.

The fact that we disagree and continue to debate could be called a "p...." contest, meaning it really doesn't matter what either of us think, it is of no consequence. If you had qualified yourself as a "shoe salesman" this debate would not have happened.

But when you qualify yourself as a professor with 16 years experience, this implies you are teaching young minds. Then it becomes much more than a "p..." contest. Incorrect views are planted in these young minds. And your view has no basis in science.

I have attempted to motivate you as diplomatically as I can, to re-think your position. The only remark that I have made that appears derogatory was "Begin Teaching your students a sound basis from which they may grow." and if that offends you so be it.

Al
 
   / An Electric Lesson #72  
If I flip the switch and the light comes, if I open the fridge and the beer is cold, If I push the button and the puter comes on, I don't care how electicity works, as long as it does! I don't care if it comes through the wires by electrons, protons, neutrons or MORONS

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jim
 
   / An Electric Lesson #73  
I'm with you, Jim./w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif We know all we need to know, don't we?/w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

Bird
 
   / An Electric Lesson #74  
Bird, I'm shocked /w3tcompact/icons/shocked.gif. You get your electricity the same way I do? /w3tcompact/icons/cool.gif

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jim
 
   / An Electric Lesson #75  
If you're in Australia does it flow the opposite way??????????

Oh hell I geuss it does'nt matter
 
   / An Electric Lesson #76  
From the Web:

<font color=blue>What Is "Electricity"?
(c)1996 William J. Beaty
Electrical Engineer
SEE ALSO:
Electricity is not Energy
What is electricity, REALLY?!


What is electricity? This question is impossible to answer because the word "Electricity" has several different meanings. These different meanings contradict each other, and the contradictions confuse everyone. If you don't understand electricity, you're not alone. Even teachers, engineers, and scientists have a hard time understanding it.


Obviously "electricity" cannot be several different things at the same time. Unfortunately we have defined the word Electricity in a crazy way. Because of the contradictory meanings, we can never pin down the nature of electricity. In the end we are forced to declare that there's no such stuff as "electricity" at all!


Here's a quick example to illustrate the problem.


In household lamp cord, the charges sit in one place and wiggle back and forth (Alternating Current.) At the same time, the energy moves rapidly from the distant generators and into the light bulb. OK, now ask yourself this: does "electricity" sit inside the wires and vibrate, or does it flow forwards? It cannot do both! This little question exposes a great flaw in the way we talk about "electricity". If we can repair this flaw, our explanations of "electricity" will finally start making sense.
Below are the most common meanings of the word Electricity. Which one do you think is right? Think about it carefully. If one of these meanings is correct, all the others must be wrong! After all, a "science term" should never have several conflicting definitions. Unfortunately dictionaries and encyclopedias contain all of these. (Click the links to find out more about each one.)


- "Electricity" means electric charge.
Examples: CHARGES OF ELECTRICITY. COULOMBS OF ELECTRICITY.
- "Electricity" refers to the flowing motion of electric charge.
Examples: CURRENT ELECTRICITY. AMPERES OF ELECTRICITY.
- "Electricity" means electrical energy.
Examples: PRICE OF ELECTRICITY. KILOWATT-HOURS OF ELECTRICITY.
- "Electricity" refers to the amount of imbalance between quantities of electrons and protons.
Example: STATIC ELECTRICITY.
- "Electricity" is a class of phenomena involving electric charges.
Examples: BIOELECTRICITY, PIEZOELECTRICITY, TRIBOELECTRICITY, THERMOELECTRICITY, ATMOSPHERIC ELECTRICITY ...ETC.
- Other less common definitions:
"Electricity" refers to the flowing motion of electric energy (electric power, Watts of electricity)
"Electricity" means electric field (Volts of electricity)
"Electricity" means the nitrogen/oxygen plasma (sparks of electricity)
"Electricity" is a field of science (Basic Electricity, Advanced Electricity)


If we wish to agree on a single correct definition of "electricity," which definition should we choose? Well, maybe we don't need to choose just one. Suppose we ignore the contradictions and pretend that ALL of the above definitions are true. Below is the "clear" and "simple" description of electricity that results:

Electricity is a mysterious incomprehensible entity which is invisible and visible at the same time. It is both matter and energy. It's a type of low-frequency radio wave which is made of protons. It is a mysterious force which looks like blue-white fire and yet cannot be seen. It moves forward at the speed of light... yet it vibrates in the AC cord without flowing forwards. It's totally weightless, yet it has a small weight. When electricity flows through a light bulb's filament, it gets changed entirely into light. Yet no electricity is ever used up by the light bulb, and every bit of it it flows out of the filament and back down the other wire. College textbooks are full of electricity, yet they have no electric charge. Electricity is a class of phenomena which can be stored in batteries! If you want to measure a quantity of electricity, what units should you use? Why Volts of course. And also Coulombs, Amperes, Watts, and Joules, ALL AT THE SAME TIME. Yet "electricity" is a class of phenomena; it's a type of event. Since we can't have an AMOUNT of an event, we can't really measure the quantity of electricity at all, right?
Heh heh.
Does my description above sound stupid and impossible? You're right. It is. The word "electricity" has contradictory meanings, and I'm trying to show what happens when we accept more than one meaning. Electricity is not both slow and fast at the same time. It is not both visible and invisible.

Instead, approximately ten separate things have the name "electricity." There is no single stuff called "electricity." ELECTRICITY DOES NOT EXIST. Franklin, Edison, Thompson, and millions of science teachers should've had a long talk with Mrs. McCave before they decided to give a variety of independant science concepts just one single name.


Mrs. McCave was invented by Dr. Seuss. She had twenty three sons. She named them all "Dave."


Whenever we ask "WHAT IS ELECTRICITY," that's just like asking Mrs. McCave "WHO IS DAVE?" How can she describe her son? There can be no answer since the question itself is wrong. It's wrong to ask "who is Dave?" because we are assuming that there is only one Dave, when actually there are many separate Daves. Who is Dave? Mrs. McCave cannot answer us until she first corrects our misunderstanding.


For the same reason, we will never find a simple answer to "what is electricity?" because the question itself is wrong. First we must realize that "electricity" does not exist. We must learn that many different things exist in wires, but that people wrongly call all of them by a single name.


So never ask "WHAT IS ELECTRICITY". Instead, discard the word "electricity" and use the correct names for all the separate phenomena. Here are a few of them:



What is electric charge?
What is electrical energy?
What are electrons?
What is electric current?
What is an imbalance of charge?
What is an electric field?
What is voltage?
What is electric power?
What is a spark?
What is electromagnetism?
What is electrical science?
What is electrodynamics?
What is electrostatics?
What are electrical phenomena?
These questions all have sensible answers. But if you ask WHAT IS ELECTRICITY?, then all answers you find will just confuse you, and you'll never stop asking that question.</font color=blue>

Morover, I doubt that anyone really knows what is going on in an electrically conducting wire at the quantum level.
 
   / An Electric Lesson #77  
Jim, for all I know you may be on the other end of the same pair of wires that come to my house./w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif I know I'm on one end of the wires because they don't go on past here./w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

Bird
 
   / An Electric Lesson #78  
You are right, that is why they call it theories. A smart man is open to many different theories and even enjoys learning new ones. As an example, when I was growing up on the farm, farmers kept getting bigger and bigger tractors and equipment. Here on this board, we learn that the size of equipment is the only thing getting bigger but using smaller tractors.

Dan l
 
   / An Electric Lesson #79  
Jim,

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Electricty is brought to your house by Morons, Hmmmm..... I think your right and I'm sure a lot of folks on the west coast will agree with you.

Al
 
   / An Electric Lesson #80  
glennmac

Nobody knows what electricity is?

Now I do feel like a caveman. /w3tcompact/icons/crazy.gif Join Grog. Sit in cave. Behold the mystical BIC! Grog make Fire! Fire good. Fire hot! Grog invent burn creme.

SHF
 

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