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   / An EV??????` #41  
I don’t hate solar power. I utilize it to a small degree myself. I would love to have an Electric Ram 5500 WHEN it proves viable and outperforms the current Cummins powered version.

I DON’T appreciate gov____ment mandates for what propulsion system I have to use. I DON’T like the loss of the American energy system that powers this once great nation and probably will once again. I do NOT like handing the keys of global dominance to China by having to import millions of their tin can EV’s just because they are cheap to purchase.
My eyes ARE wide open in the environmental rape to the planet from mining lithium and other metals and the unacceptable recycling of the batteries & metals.
 
   / An EV??????` #42  
Correct me I’m wrong, but I heard that some states are considering a road tax on EV’s since most states depend on part of the sales gas price that goes to upkeep of the roads. It would be imposed on how many miles the EV has driven and then taxed on that amount of miles. Also I read where most EV’s weigh considerably more due to the weight of the batteries and these cars eat tires like candy.
True and true, with caveats. States do depend on gas taxes for road maintenance, but taxing by weight vs. (guesstimated) road damage isn't equitable. Tractor-trailers weigh a lot more than cars (gas or electric) and do exponentially more damage to roads than cars, but are not taxed accordingly.

I am not in favor of raising road taxes for big trucks, even though they "cost" the infrastructure more. Always remember that taxes are like crack cocaine for governments - there is NEVER enough, even all the money in the world isn't enough for them. Part of the solution might be to build stronger roads, part of the solution might be to reduce the weight footprint of large trucks by using wider tires, part of the solution could be sending more trailers by rail instead of over the road trucking. This is already being done, get stuck at a railroad crossing and count the UPS and Amazon trailers on articulated (five-in-one) flatcars. This gets them off the road almost en-tirely (no pun intended), requiring a road tractor for only the last few miles from the railroad yard to the destination.

Electric cars do seem to use tires quickly. Part of it is the cars tend to be heavier than equivalent gas cars, part of it is the "Whee!" factor from the increased acceleration of electric cars compared to gas cars (although I can eat a lot of tires in a hurry on my CLK Mercedes if I crank it on!) and part of it is the tire companies haven't yet figured out how to make low rolling resistance tires that last a longer time. Weight alone doesn't kill tires, there are plenty of pickup trucks and vans that weigh as much as an electric car and they get decent tire life anyway.

Any new technology goes through several stages. First are the visionaries, the technology barely works, and the visionaries are often seen as nut cases. (Dip your toes into the pool.) Then you get to the early adopters. As the technology gets better, more people are willing to try it out. (Wade into the shallow end.) Then you get the start of market acceptance, the tech is better and doesn't turn heads any more - people see electric cars and don't even remark on them. I think this is where the electric car market is now, the start of general market acceptance. Finally, the tech becomes mass market, unexceptional, everyone has one, they work quite well, the automotive equivalent of a microwave or a toaster and about as interesting. Big yawn.

Now that I've caused enough trouble here ;-) I'd like to make one comment on electricity. If I fill my back yard with solar cells and make more electricity than I can use, it is ILLEGAL for me to sell my surplus to my neighbors, it has to be sold to the power company (FPL). I see no particular difference here between saying if I grow more tomatoes than I want to eat, I can't sell them at the farmer's market, I HAVE to sell them to Publix or some grocery store. (Although it is probably hard to get accidentally electrocuted by tomatoes, fortunately we have a government that is genuinely concerned with our well-being and will protect us from all such risks. Sarcasm/Off)

Best Regards,
Mike/Florida
 
   / An EV??????` #43  
No extension cord with a submeter work around?
 
   / An EV??????` #44  
A part of the "myth" that EVs eat tires may be due to the Tesla X. That particular car uses different sizes of tires for the front and rear, so it is impossible to rotate as would "normally" be done. My buddy has a Tesla X and is lucky to get 25k out of his tires. So, in that case an EV does eat tires, but not because it is an EV but rather it is due to the inability to correctly rotate the tires. Stupid in my opinion.
I will have to say I would be a big fan of having an EV if I lived in a city. They definitely have their place. I do see one in my future, but not yet.

Sure, there is potential for environmental harm from lithium mines. But it's not like petroleum has been good for our planet. Just consider the Deepwater Horizon disaster, which dumped 4.9 million barrels (700,000 tons) of oil into the Gulf. That is, but one disaster, and that doesn't even take into account the carbon being pumped into the atmosphere every day, Shell knew back in the mid-'70s that petroleum would cause irreparable harm to our planet, but hey, they wanted to make money, so who cares.
 
   / An EV??????` #46  
States do depend on gas taxes for road maintenance, but taxing by weight vs. (guesstimated) road damage isn't equitable. Tractor-trailers weigh a lot more than cars (gas or electric) and do exponentially more damage to roads than cars, but are not taxed accordingly.
You could've fooled me.

When I had my RV setup (a Pete 359 tractor and a dry van converted to a toy hauler) registered in California it cost me over $1,600 per year just for registration on the Pete.

Thankfully I didn't have to pay IFTA fees and such, but trust me, I paid dearly for the 30,000 lbs. my setup normally weighed in at.

When pulling doubles going to New Orleans in '05 with supplies I had to up the weight limit to 70K, and that was not cheap by any means.
 
   / An EV??????` #48  
Fire risk: Millions of recalled Hyundai and Kia vehicles with a dangerous defect remain on the road

Summary: 3,400,000 Hyundai and Kia cars from 2010 through 2017 have a recall because they might catch fire. Owners are advised to park outside and away from other cars. Recall *might* be completed in a year or two. Parking a Kia outside risks getting it stolen (USB stick plus screwdriver trick), parking it in your garage risks burning your house down.

Kia says OK to drive anyway (sounds like Boeing . . . ), they say if you smell smoke and see warning lights on the dash, even though your car is on fire going 80 mph on the Interstate in heavy traffic during rush hour, you will have enough time to pull over and safely abandon ship, so hey, no problem, right ;-)

Recall is because brake fluid leaks onto an ABS module and ignites, the "fix" is supposed to be a fuse and fuse holder, no parts available "yet". I'm not sure how a fuse is supposed to fix a fluid leak, but whatever, they built the car, not me.

They've also had 13 million cars previously recalled because of the ongoing possibility of engine fires.

Sheesh.

I'm also going to check with Ultrarunner on his extension cord/submeter suggestion - what gauge wire do you advise?

Best Regards,
Mike/Florida
 
   / An EV??????` #50  
Recall is because brake fluid leaks onto an ABS module and ignites, the "fix" is supposed to be a fuse and fuse holder, no parts available "yet". I'm not sure how a fuse is supposed to fix a fluid leak, but whatever, they built the car, not me.
If unfortunate enough to own one, I would put aluminum foil or something over the ABS module. Done.

Until I can get rid of the damn thing.
 
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