Another closed thread because of politics @Egon

   / Another closed thread because of politics @Egon #91  
The Earth doesn't care about biased humans manipulating data to promote their various agendas. Ask the melting glaciers if Global Warming is a "Hoax", they tell the truth, they are the truth.

Some news out of Australia recently-




Extreme heatwave across Victoria, NSW, South Australia: Updates



they are in their summer season, areas around Sydney have seen temps of 117*F



things have cooled down a bit since the article was written which is good

but that is almost a dangerous temp to have to work in for very long.
 
   / Another closed thread because of politics @Egon #92  
   / Another closed thread because of politics @Egon #93  
The way I see it most of these global warming threads mix a lot of issues.

Is climate change happening? Of course it is. What the debate should be is the impact. Like everything else there will be both positives and negatives.

2. Is human activity responsible and to what degree? Personally I think we influence our climate but it is not solely caused by our use of fossil fuels. So how much of an impact we have and which activities have the greatest impact can also be debated.

3. What can we do, if anything, to alter or stop climate change? How does taxing the people of the US and sending that money around the world stop, slow, or reverse climate change?
 
   / Another closed thread because of politics @Egon
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Earth's oceans are the root of the planet's climate...currently we actually know more about outer space than we do about the oceans...yet a majority of the money being spent on climate research goes to entities that are more bent on proving the greenhouse gas theory than doing ocean research...
What's wrong with this picture?
 
   / Another closed thread because of politics @Egon #95  
I like the Daily Mail. I also like the Telegraph. Both papers report on what's happening here in the US better then most of our news outlets. Other then Wikipedia not liking the Daily Mail, was there anything in the article that wasn't factual?

I'll agree that I like to read them, too. And Reuters as well. Gets a different perspective.

I was yanking your chain on the facts. For every positive on a subject, there's a negative. As I mentioned before, when I worked at the newspaper and we'd run a story that was for all intents and purposes neutral on the topic, we'd get almost 50-50 complaints calling us lefties or righties. But rarely would we get a note saying it was neutral and non-biased. It's like most stores have a complaint department. But non have an "atta boy" department.

As for the subject of if man is effecting climate change or not, you and I will probably always be on different sides of the issue, but I wish you no ill will, of course. It can be a worthwhile discussion just to see different perspectives on an issue. :)
 
   / Another closed thread because of politics @Egon #96  
Earth's oceans are the root of the planet's climate...currently we actually know more about outer space than we do about the oceans...yet a majority of the money being spent on climate research goes to entities that are more bent on proving the greenhouse gas theory than doing ocean research...
What's wrong with this picture?

What's wrong with this picture is that there have been numerous studies on the ocean's ability to moderate the climate and absorb all the crud humans dump into it. Not just solids and liquids, but carbon dioxide as well. It used to be said the solution to pollution is dilution. That is no longer the case.
 
   / Another closed thread because of politics @Egon #97  
All I know is I hope global warming is coming. I am really tired of the cold weather. And if the overall climate would change and put me about 400 miles further south, Yeah, give me more of that. I will take hotter summers any day over colder winters. I personally believe if we have global warming, the benefits will FAR FAR outweigh any negatives. I base this on the global warming periods in the middle ages when civilization flourished. We would would still have Vikings in Canada and New England if the cold weather hadn't run them out and back home.
 
   / Another closed thread because of politics @Egon #98  
A simple question and a simple answere. Took a long time to get it.

It seems there was prior talk disclaiming a climate change to hotter. Even impending ice age was mentioned. At present both poles are considered dessert and ice mass is decreasing. Means somewhere in the past there had to be pretty warm weather somewhere for moisture containing clouds to form and precipitate enough moisture for ice to accumulate in the polar hemispheres. Means ocean currents and wind patterns were different to get the moisture laden air to the polar regions. That is not happening at the present moment. It seems there are swaths on earth where desertification is advancing at present.

I answered it aboui 3 posts ago and others have also.
 
   / Another closed thread because of politics @Egon #99  
We could live with all the opinions in the world if it was not for the fact that governance is based on the application of force and coercion.

If you want renewable energy of whatever form, buy it. If you want to lessen your CO2 footprint by super-insulating your home, driving a Prius and growing your own food, go for it.

Dont ask for subsidies, nor the banning of any older technology (all the european countries racing to impose deadlines on the sale and use of gasoline and diesel powered vehicles). Nor taxation and the re-distribution of wealth. That kind of nonsense is just going to lead to war. If something really has merit, it will sell. Otherwise it is clearly no good. I bought 6x 275W solar panels, charge controller, transfer switch and a bunch of accessories for $2537. 1650W for $2500 is not bad in my opinion. I put together a 24V lead acid battery for just over $1000. I plan to double the size of the solar array when I reach the life of the battery system at which time I will do a new 48V battery system. When taken as a % of the investment in a new home, this stuff is peanuts. A set of tires for my backhoe will cost near as much. Of course I did not get raped by some government licensed solar installer either, nor did I pay a consultant to design the system. Maybe some people need this service, but I suspect that a great many do not and don't need or want either the federal, state or local government to mandate the existence of any of these positions. When your installer, consultant and building inspectors jobs exist primarily because of tyrannical government, don't expect any of them to be focussed on what is best for you.

If you are involved in the automotive industry and are aware of the shenanigans in new car design to try to meet the fleet economy standards imposed by the EPA, you will likely never want to buy a new car again, or at least not until we have had a couple of rounds of clean sheet designs instead of grafting hybrid motors, batteries, electronics and cooling packages into places on vehicles that were never intended for such stuff and which is going to cause an immense customer backlash when this stuff has to be repaired, serviced and other "real life stuff", especially those of us living up north in the salt belt. My second vehicle is an F250 and I had such a time trying to get the steel wheels off the hubs and the brake rotors off after 2 years of salt that I could write a book about it. The engineers at work recently heard a speaker from Chrysler/Jeep talk about powertrain electrification and since the fuel economy plan involves engine downsizing (which we have already seen) and then partial hybrid powertrain on virtually all models, a lot of us looked at each other and said that we had better find a used late model car so that the next used car we buy is not one of these frankensteins...
 
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