Another closed thread because of politics @Egon

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Soooo -- ------ Detail the lying with proven references that can be looked at. Braying at the Moon just does not cut it!

LoL...Try to keep up...I'm not doing your homework for you again...!

 

[Einthewoods]

Ya'll are getting off topic. This thread has moved on to discussing the merits of the vanilla Wendy's frosty and also the proper amount of water to have on a Slip 'N Slide.

 

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No that belongs in one of the old geezer daycare threads...

 

[MossRoad]

Sorry to inform you...it's not BS...it a cold hard fact (no pun intended)...
...Now the 90% figure may no longer be spot on...but there are a good number of glaciers all over the world that ARE GROWING...!

And before you go shooting another messenger because you don't like the message hear this from a USGA.GOV site:


FS-001-03--Hubbard Glacier, Alaska: Growing and Advancing in Spite of Global Climate Change and the 1986 and 2002 Russell Lake Outburst Floods

You may be on to something... here's 15 glaciers that grew in 2015/2016... that's more than I thought...

(Kindly ignore the 121 that shrank)

From here... interesting reading.
latest glacier mass balance data – world glacier monitoring service

2 Mass balance data

Table 3: Reported mass balance values of the observation period 2015/16, as well as *preliminary values for 2016/17. Principal investigators are listed for submitted data of 2015/16.

NAME	MB16	*MB17	INVESTIGATOR/SPONSORING AGENCY
	[mm w.e.]	[mm w.e.]
Antarctica
Bahia del Diablo	-605		S. Marinsek, J.L. Seco, E. Ermolin (Instituto Ant疵tico Argentino)
Hurd	+290		F. Navarro and colleagues (UPM/ETSIT)
Johnsons	+530		F. Navarro and colleagues (UPM/ETSIT)
Argentina
Brown Superior	+167	+798	G. Cabrera and colleagues (IANIGLA)
Conconta Norte	+429	+4725	G. Cabrera and colleagues (IANIGLA)
Los Amarillos	+1431	+2223	G. Cabrera and colleagues (IANIGLA)
Martial Este	+55		R. Iturraspe and colleagues (Universidad Nacional de Tierra del Fuego)
Austria
Goldbergkees			B. Hynek and colleagues (ZAMG)
Halstaetter Gletscher	-1130		A. Fischer and colleagues (Energie AG)
Hintereisferner	-1263	-1826	Juen I., Galos S., Kaser G. and colleagues (ACINN)
Jamtalferner	-800		A. Fischer and colleagues (HD/LT)
Kesselwandferner	-500	-1054	Juen I., Galos S., Kaser G. and colleagues (ACINN)
Kleinfleisskees			B. Hynek and colleagues (ZAMG)
Pasterze	-1163		B. Hynek, A. Neureiter and colleagues (ZAMG)
Obersulzbachkees	-467		A. Fischer and colleagues (HD/LS)
Stubacher Sonnblickkees	-828	-1850	H Wiesenegger, H. Slupetzky and colleagues (HD/SB)(HD/LS)
Venediger Kees
Vernagtferner	-781	-1460	Braun L., Mayer C. and colleagues (CGGBAS)
Wurtenkees			S. Reisenhofer and colleagues (ZAMG)
Zettalunitz/Mullwitz	-858		A. Fischer and colleagues (HD/LS)
Bolivia
Chacaltaya	vanished
Charquini Sur			A. Soruco and colleagues (IGEMA)
Zongo			A. Soruco and colleagues (IGEMA)
Canada
Devon Ice Cap NW	-483		D.O. Burgess and colleagues (GSC)
Helm	-1280	-1200	M. Demuth, M. Ednie and colleagues (NRCan)
Meighen Ice Cap	-791		D.O. Burgess and colleagues (GSC)
Melville South Ice Cap	-792		D.O. Burgess and colleagues (GSC)
Peyto	-1844	-1410	M. Demuth, M. Ednie and colleagues (NRCan)
Place	-1330	-1170	M. Demuth, M. Ednie and colleagues (NRCan)
White	-268		L. Thomson and colleagues (Uottawa/DG, TU/G)
Chile
Amarillo	+1405	+3822	G. Cabrera and colleagues (IANIGLA)
Guanaco			A. Rivera and colleagues (CECs)
Echaurren Norte	-2284		G. Barcaza and colleagues (DGA)
China
Urumqi Glacier No.1	-780	-681	H. Li and colleagues (CAREERI/CAS)
- East Branch	-939	-773	H. Li and colleagues (CAREERI/CAS)
- West Branch	-498	-519	H. Li and colleagues (CAREERI/CAS)
Parlung (Glacier No. 94)	-1086		S. Li, W. Yang, and colleagues (ITPR/CAS)
Colombia
Conejeras	-5545		Jorge Luis Ceballos and colleagues (IDEAM)
Ritacuba Blanco	-633		Jorge Luis Ceballos and colleagues (IDEAM)
Ecuador
Antizana 15 Alpha	-141		B. Caceres and colleagues (INAMHI)
France
Argent?re	-680		C. Vincent and D. Six (CNRS)
Bionnassay
Gebroulaz	-410		C. Vincent and D. Six (CNRS)
Ossoue	-1370		P. Ren and colleagues (Association Moraine)
Saint Sorlin	-1140		C. Vincent and D. Six (CNRS)
Sarennes	-1510	-3001	E. Thibert and colleagues (IRSTEA)
Tre la tete	-820		L. Moreau and colleagues (CNRS EDYTEM)
Greenland
Freya			B. Hynek and colleagues (ZAMG)
Mittivakkat	-1770		N.T. Knudsen, S. Mernild and colleagues (NTK)
Qasigiannguit			J. Abermann and colleagues (GEM/ASIAQ)
Iceland
Bruarj?ull	-342		F. P疝sson (University of Iceland), A. Gunnarsson (National Power Company of Iceland) and colleagues
Dyngjuj?ull	-236		F. P疝sson (University of Iceland), A. Gunnarsson (National Power Company of Iceland) and colleagues
Eyabakkaj?ull	-930		F. P疝sson (University of Iceland), A. Gunnarsson (National Power Company of Iceland) and colleagues
Hofsj?ull E	-1330		Th. Thorsteinsson and colleagues (VEDUR)
Hofsj?ull N			Th. Thorsteinsson and colleagues (VEDUR)
Hofsj?ull SW			Th. Thorsteinsson and colleagues (VEDUR)
K?dukvislarj?ull	-642		F. P疝sson (University of Iceland), A. Gunnarsson (National Power Company of Iceland) and colleagues
Langj?ull Ice Cap	-1677		F. P疝sson (University of Iceland), A. Gunnarsson (National Power Company of Iceland) and colleagues
Tungnarj?ull	-1415		F. P疝sson (University of Iceland), A. Gunnarsson (National Power Company of Iceland) and colleagues
India
Chhota Shigri			A.L. Ramanathan and colleagues (JNU)
Italy
Calderone	-940		Massimo Pecci and colleagues (CGI)
Campo Settentrionale	-840	-1856	R. Scotti and colleagues (SGL)
Careser	-1748	-2683	L. Carturan and colleagues (TeSAF/UNIPD)
Ciardoney	-1800		L. Mercalli and colleagues (SMI)
Fontana Bianca/Weissbrunnferner	-1312		R. Dinale, A. Di Lullo and colleagues (Hydrographisches Amt Bozen)
Grand Etret			V. Bertoglio and colleagues (Parco Nazionale Gran Paradiso)
La Mare (southern branch)	-654		L. Carturan (TeSAF/UNIPD)
Lunga/Langenferner	-1010		S. Galos and colleagues (IMGI & UI/HA)
Lupo	-973		R. Scotti and colleagues (SGL)
Malavalle/ﾜbeltalferner	-871		G. Franchi, G. Rossi and colleagues (UI/HA)
Pendente/Hangender Ferner	-1195		G. Franchi, G. Rossi and colleagues (UI/HA)
Suretta Meridionale	-1336	-2283	R. Scotti and colleagues (SGL)
Timorion			U. Morra di Cella and colleagues (ARPA)
Vedretta Occ. di Ries/Westlicher Rieserferner	-793		R. Dinale, A. Di Lullo and colleagues (Hydrographisches Amt Bozen)
Japan
Hamaguri Yuki	n.a.		K. Fujita and K. Fukui (GSES-NU, TCSM)
Kazakhstan
Ts. Tuyuksuyskiy	+561	-1113	N.E. Kassatkin, K.G. Makarevich (Inst. of Geogr. of Ministry of Educ. & Sc. of KZ)
Kenya
Lewis			R. Prinz and colleagues (IMGI)
Kyrgyzstan
Abramov	+380		M. Barandun and colleagues (DGUF & CAIAG)
Batysh Sook/ Syek Zapadnyi	-605		R. Kenzhebaev (CAIAG), Barandun (DGUF) and colleagues
Bordu	-450		Victor Popovnin (MGU), Rysbek Satylkanov and Bakyt Ermenbayev (TShMRC)
Glacier No. 354 (Akshiirak)	-399		M. Barandun, M. Kronenberg and colleagues (DGUF&CAIAG)
Glacier No. 599	-725		E. Azisov, R. Usubaliev (CAIAG)
Golubin	+287		E. Azizov, M. Barandun and colleagues (CAIAG, DGUF, GFZ)
Karabatkak	-390		V. Popovnin (MGU), R. Satylkanov and colleagues (TShMRC)
Sary-Tor	-790		V. Popovnin (MGU), R. Satylkanov and colleagues (TShMRC)
Nepal
Changri Nup			P. Wagnon and colleagues (IRD)
Mera			P. Wagnon and colleagues (IRD)
Pokalde			P. Wagnon and colleagues (IRD)
Rikha Samba	-334	-230	D. Stumm and colleagues (ICIMOD)
Yala	-610		D. Stumm and colleagues (ICIMOD)
New Zealand
Brewster	-1193		B. Anderson and colleagues (ARC & DGUO)
Rolleston	-1006		T. Kerr, H. Purdie and colleagues (NIWA)
Norway
Aalfotbreen	-635	-440	B. Kj?lmoen and colleagues (NVE)
Austdalsbreeen	-1050		H. Elveh? and colleagues (NVE)
Blomstolskardsbreen	+701		B. Kj?lmoen and colleagues (NVE)
Breidalblikkbrea
Engabreen	-226	+1250	H. Elveh? and colleagues (NVE))
Graafjellsbreen
Graasubreen	-415	-710	L. M. Andreassen and colleagues (NVE)
Hansebreen	-1304		B. Kj?lmoen and colleagues (NVE)
Hellstugubreen	-339	-600	L. M. Andreassen and colleagues (NVE)
Juvfonne
Langfjordjoekelen	-1664		B. Kj?lmoen and colleagues (NVE)
Nigardsbreen	+486	+590	B. Kj?lmoen and colleagues (NVE)
Remebesdalsskaaka	-386	+640	H. Elveh? and colleagues (NVE)
Rundvassbreen	-490		B. Kj?lmoen and colleagues (NVE)
Storbreen	-804	-520	L. M. Andreassen and colleagues (NVE)
Svelgjabreen	-7		B. Kj?lmoen and colleagues (NVE)
Peru
Artesonraju	-1598		Alejo Cochachin Rapre and colleagues (Autoridad Nacional del Agua, Unidad de Glaciolog? y Recursos H?ricos)
Yanamarey	-2505		Alejo Cochachin Rapre and colleagues (Autoridad Nacional del Agua, Unidad de Glaciolog? y Recursos H?ricos)
Russia
Djankuat	-730	-740	V. Popovnin and colleagues (MSU)
Garabashi	-980	-930	O.V. Rototayeva and colleagues (IGRAS)
Leviy Aktru
Maliy Aktru
No. 125 (Vodopadniy)
Spain
Maladeta	-843		G. Cobos Campos and colleagues (UPV)
Svalbard
Austre Broeggerbreen	-1450	-530	J. Kohler and colleagues (NPOLAR)
Austre Lovenbreen			E. Bernard and colleagues (CNRS - Univ. Franche Comt?
Hansbreen	-1078		Piotr Glowacki,Michal Petlicki and colleagues (Institute of Geophysics, Polish Academy of Sciences)
Irenebreen	-1468		Ireneusz Sobota and colleagues (Nicolaus Copernicus Polar Station)
Kongsvegen	-320	+30	J. Kohler and colleagues (NPOLAR)
Kronebreen/Holtedahlfonna	-160	+50	J. Kohler and colleagues (NPOLAR) (balances excl. calving)
Midtre Lovenbreen	-1200	-420	J. Kohler and colleagues (NPOLAR)
Waldemarbreen	-1773		Ireneusz Sobota and colleagues (Nicolaus Copernicus Polar Station)
Werenskiold	-1795		D. Ignatiuk (University of Silesia)
Sweden
Marmaglaciaeren	-370		P. Jansson and colleagues (Tarfala Research Station)
Rabots Glaciaer			P. Jansson and colleagues (Tarfala Research Station)
Riukojietna			P. Jansson and colleagues (Tarfala Research Station)
Storglaciaeren	-240		P. Jansson and colleagues (Tarfala Research Station)
Tarfalaglaciaeren			P. Jansson and colleagues (Tarfala Research Station)
Switzerland
Adler	-590		Huss, Salzmann, Leysinger-Vieli and colleagues (DGUF, GIUZ)
Allalin	-269	-1800	A. Bauder, M. Huss and colleagues (VAW)
Basodino	-979		G. Kappenberger and colleagues
Clariden	-424		U. Steinegger, G. Kappenberger and colleagues
Corbassiere	-450		A. Bauder, M. Huss and colleagues (VAW)
Corvatsch-S	-751		M. Fischer and colleagues (DGUF)
Findelen	-723		Huss, Salzmann, Leysinger-Vieli and colleagues (DGUF, GIUZ)
Gietro	-414	-1650	A. Bauder, M. Huss and colleagues (VAW)
Gries	-1191	-2450	M. Funk, A. Bauder and colleagues (VAW))
Hohlaub	-437		A. Bauder, M. Huss and colleagues (VAW)
Murtel	-462		M. Fischer and colleagues (DGUF)
Pizol	-699		M. Huss and colleagues (DGUF, VAW)
Plaine Morte	-248		M. Huss and colleagues (DGUF, VAW)
Rhone	-454		A. Bauder and colleagues (VAW)
Sankt Anna	-926		M. Fischer and colleagues (DGUF)
Schwarzbach	-1083		M. Fischer and colleagues (DGUF)
Schwarzberg	-164		A. Bauder, M. Huss and colleagues (VAW)
Sex Rouge	-144		M. Fischer and colleagues (DGUF)
Silvretta	-606	-1500	A. Bauder, M. Funk and colleagues (VAW)
Tsanfleuron	-226		M. Huss and colleagues (DGUF)
USA
Blue	-1520		M. Larrabee and colleagues (NCNP)
Columbia (2057)	-1180	-750	M. Pelto and colleagues (NCGCP)
Daniels	-640	-540	M. Pelto and colleagues (NCGCP)
Easton	-820	-260	M. Pelto and colleagues (NCGCP)
Eel	-400		M. Larrabee and colleagues (NCNP)
Emmons	-10		M. Larrabee and colleagues (NCNP)
Foss
Gulkana	-1510	-1510	S. O'Neel, L. Sass and colleagues (USGS)
Ice Worm	-780	-570	M. Pelto and colleagues (NCGCP)
Lemon Creek	-1200	-1480	M. Pelto and colleagues (JIRP)
Lower Curtis	-1550	-650	M. Pelto and colleagues (NCGCP)
Lynch	-1420	-320	M. Pelto and colleagues (NCGCP)
Nisqually			M. Larrabee and colleagues (NCNP)
Noisy Creek	-890		M. Larrabee and colleagues (NCNP)
North Klawatti	-1150		M. Larrabee and colleagues (NCNP)
Rainbow	-880	+510	M. Pelto and colleagues (NCGCP)
Sandalee	+110		M. Larrabee and colleagues (NCNP)
Sholes	-1520	+120	M. Pelto and colleagues (NCGCP)
Silver	+520		M. Larrabee and colleagues (NCNP)
South Cascade			E. Whorton and colleagues (USGS)
Sperry	+90	-430	D. Fagre, A. Clark and colleagues (USGS)
Taku	-780		M. Pelto and colleagues (JIRP)
Wolverine	-400	-1160	S. O'Neel, L. Sass and colleagues (USGS)
Yawning	-960	-640	M. Pelto and colleagues (NCGCP)

 

[cqaigy2]

OK, so lets just clean up and cease the pollution and call it a day and see what happens in the future.

Here we go, and just forget the about the BS about GW. That's just clouding, so to speak, immediate problems that could really benefit from our attention.

 

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You may be on to something... here's 15 glaciers that grew in 2015/2016... that's more than I thought...

(Kindly ignore the 121 that shrank) ...

I'm fairly sure you're misunderstanding the gist of my argument...I have never contested the climate changing or the thawing...the point is the "change" in not necessarily universal...What I question is how can "some" glaciers be growing while others are melting?...if the zealots were right the eastern seaboard should be under water by now...

...Natures way is a one of resilience...

Deserts have not always been deserts...when ice masses recede so do deserts (they becomes fertile)

I've never said we should not be spending money to clean up all forms of pollution and improve emissions etc...perfect filtering technology etc...I just think there should be more research done to show that there is natural activity that is cyclical in nature that contributes to climate changes and not hide the data...anything that does not mesh with the current AGW agenda is suppressed and kept out of sight. IMO Deforestation of rain forests is a major issue...

I understand it's a big stretch to compare physical laws to climate and to a lessor degree weather but even in nature it seems for every action there is a reaction...

BTW, FWIW... The recent freak cold air mass that set all kinds of records...had nothing to do with climate change...it was called a natural phenomenon...US cold snap was a freak of nature, quick analysis finds

 

[EddieWalker]

Google is no longer my friend. It's funny how I used to be able to find things on Google, but now they no longer show up. Two things that I was trying to find that I remember being big news when it came out where about glaciers in Greenland and India. Both where being used as examples of global warming and how they where melting so quickly that the risk of the oceans rising was much worse then predicted. Lots of data used from years of study to support this, and then it came out that they where falsifying their data.

Hopefully some of you on here remember this to, and you will have better luck finding the links to when it was in the news.

While I don't know if glaciers are increasing or decreasing, I do know that some of the data used on this wasn't accurate. Why lie about it if it's really happening?

If you have to lie to support a position, why trust what they are saying?

If I hear on the news that it's raining outside, I will look out the window to see if it's really raining outside because I don't trust anything on the news. If a politician says something, I expect the opposite to be true until it's proven that it wasn't a lie.

The biggest thing that I get out of these threads is learning how many people blindly believe what they are told and accept it as fact.

 

[rekees4300]

What I question is how can "some" glaciers be growing while others are melting?

This article attempts to explain why some are growing.

Some Glaciers Growing Due to Climate Change, Study Suggests

 

[MossRoad]

...What I question is how can "some" glaciers be growing while others are melting?...

Really? :laughing:

 

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Really?:laughing:

Well, questioning the (so called) experts... (to paraphrase Eddie)... sure beats "blindly believing what is being pontificated and automatically accepting it as fact":laughing: