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   / Another Gauge Wheel Build Post #21  
Both sets look great! But, I am now wondering which will perform better, those with a short length or those with a long length. I would tend to think the longer set will make it smoother quicker. I have some factory gage wheels for the Frontier Rake. They are really short and don't seem to make any difference. So, I removed them.

Anyone have some theories or experience on the differences between the long or short length (from blade to wheel) of gage wheel?
 
   / Another Gauge Wheel Build Post #22  
RedDirt said:
Do you happen to have a photo of the rear blade side plates? It is on my list of projects to build a set for the back blade posted above. I am especially interested in how the side plates are braced. I am thinking of running a diagonal brace (angle or pipe w/flattened ends, etc) from the front edge of the side plate inward to the blade just above the cutting edge. The plates would be 1/4" thick plate and bolted onto the blade with a couple of angle iron tabs. Do your side plates have any additional reinforcing?

I'll try and get a couple of pictures for you and post them. I usually just use one end plate when I want to channel dirt to one side. They are heavy and the only reinforcing is a strip of flat welded on the plate that acts as the attachment point to the rear blade.
 
   / Another Gauge Wheel Build Post #23  
skidoo said:
Both sets look great! But, I am now wondering which will perform better, those with a short length or those with a long length. I would tend to think the longer set will make it smoother quicker. I have some factory gage wheels for the Frontier Rake. They are really short and don't seem to make any difference. So, I removed them.

Anyone have some theories or experience on the differences between the long or short length (from blade to wheel) of gage wheel?

Other gauge wheel post indicate the further back you can get the wheels the better. My limiting factor was I did not want the extension arms to be forward of the 3PH when in the retracted position. I think the shorter setting will be useful if you are making tight turns. That way the wheels will stay within the graded area and not swing and raise over the blade edge berm.

I tried them out today. Marvelous!! Effortless grading. The trick is to get the height adjusted correctly. I'll likely wish more than once I'd sprung for the trailer jacks. If my adjusting nuts get to be too big a hassle I'll upgrade.

What surprised me is that for fine grading (gravel driveway) the blade is actually a couple inches above the ground (when checking the optimum setting later on flat concrete). I'm glad I left the all-tread long. Was going to trim but now I won't. I still have down adjustment left but I think wheel depth settings will change if the top link blade angle is changed. In hindsight I'd have made the "T" bushing longer and lower to reduce the amount of exposed bare all thread...stronger.

RobJ,
Yes, I doubt the HF wheels will last. They have bearings, but not sealed well despite the specs stating they were. The pivot bearings have zerks, the wheel bearings don't. The pivot bearing race has an exposed gap at the lower ball bearing race. I made a silicone dust cover for them. After masking I packed the race with a needle grease gun attachment (Kragen Auto) then removed masking and greased the outside of one race for silicone release. I was going to take pictures of the process but didn't. But here is the finished seal. When it sets overnight (or longer) I'll see if the release worked.

Seal Pivot Bearing.JPG

Other posts have used the HF wheels so I thought I'd give them a try...cheap. I've already begun to think about replacing them. The wheel is not difficult, it's finding a sealed pivot assembly that's hard without spending a fortune.


3RRL Rob,
Thanks. I got the mounting idea from another post but he mounted the cross arm above the blade arm because his blade tilted too. That one is earmarked on my other computer but here is another. He used two cross arms. I'm hoping my single arm is stout enough for the task. Two would interfere with my planned ripper bar

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachments/build-yourself/90568d1196716825-my-version-skunkwerxs-gauge-wheels-gauge-blade.jpg

Yes I like the added weight. And I'll add another 100# or more with my ripper accessory and side plates. I'll post separately the whole rear blade upgrade when I'm done.
 
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   / Another Gauge Wheel Build Post #24  
mjncad said:
I'll try and get a couple of pictures for you and post them. I usually just use one end plate when I want to channel dirt to one side. They are heavy and the only reinforcing is a strip of flat welded on the plate that acts as the attachment point to the rear blade.

Thanks, I'm anxious to see the photos. I actually thought about making the side plate angle adjustable so they could be of better use if the blade was angled. Too complex. Like you, I'll likely just mount one if the blade is angled. I have side plates on my garden tractor rear blade but running one is not an option because they are tied together with a ripper bar that is pinned to them. Angle blading with them on was always a problem unless I was tilted, then I could scratch a decent, but shallow, ditch.
 
   / Another Gauge Wheel Build Post #25  
RedDirt said:
RobJ,
Yes, I doubt the HF wheels will last. They have bearings, but not sealed well despite the specs stating they were. The pivot bearings have zerks, the wheel bearings don't. The pivot bearing race has an exposed gap at the lower ball bearing race. I made a silicone dust cover for them. After masking I packed the race with a needle grease gun attachment (Kragen Auto) then removed masking and greased the outside of one race for silicone release. I was going to take pictures of the process but didn't. But here is the finished seal. When it sets overnight (or longer) I'll see if the release worked.

Well time will tell, in case you get this idea maybe it will save you some money. Once the bearings went out on a HF wheel I though I would get smart and buy some sealed bearing. The bearings never wore out but the rim holding the bearings failed. This was on a 3'x4' atv cart so I never carried more than a 3-4 bags of corn. After the rim failed I ran it for a season as it (hey it still rolled!!) until I found the goat card wheels.

Rob
 
   / Another Gauge Wheel Build Post #26  
RedDirt said:
Do you happen to have a photo of the rear blade side plates? It is on my list of projects to build a set for the back blade posted above. I am especially interested in how the side plates are braced. I am thinking of running a diagonal brace (angle or pipe w/flattened ends, etc) from the front edge of the side plate inward to the blade just above the cutting edge. The plates would be 1/4" thick plate and bolted onto the blade with a couple of angle iron tabs. Do your side plates have any additional reinforcing?

Here are a couple of photos of the Frontier/Woods end plates on my rear blade.
 

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   / Another Gauge Wheel Build Post #27  
mjncad said:
Here are a couple of photos of the Frontier/Woods end plates on my rear blade.

Thank you for the photos.

I had thought some diagonal bracing would be needed to keep the side plates from flaring outward. I see carriage bolt holes top & bottom on the side plates and on one of the photos a corresponding carriage bolt hole at the top of the blade. Do you use a diagonal brace through these holes or do you find that a brace is not needed?

Sorry, not meaning here to Runner's post.
 
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RedDirt - Nice build. Those look like they will work well.

I have the same problem getting the bandsaw to cut straight and shim it just like you.

mjncad - the holes in my Frontier blade are located at the top of the blade and I still can't figure out what they're for.
 

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   / Another Gauge Wheel Build Post #29  
Runner said:
mjncad - the holes in my Frontier blade are located at the top of the blade and I still can't figure out what they're for.

That square hole is what I thought may be for a diagonal brace for the optional side plates.

But I don't see (on yours) the lower round hole that mjncad has for his side plates. (?)
 
   / Another Gauge Wheel Build Post #30  
RedDirt said:
Thank you for the photos.

I had thought some diagonal bracing would be needed to keep the side plates from flaring outward. I see carriage bolt holes top & bottom on the side plates and on one of the photos a corresponding carriage bolt hole at the top of the blade. Do you use a diagonal brace through these holes or do you find that a brace is not needed?

Sorry, not meaning here to Runner's post.

I use the end plates as is from the factory and haven't felt the need for more bracing. They are pretty stout and heavy.
 

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