Another JD3320 vs. NHTC33DA question

[pdub]

<font color="red"> </font> If you want to outdo the neighbors get a Deere.

I don't understand why Deere has this reputation... I certainly was not impressed with the 3320 that I looked at. It seems to me that they have taken a lot of cost out of this thing. For instance, take a minute and go to the dealer, raise the hood of any 3020 or 4020 series Deere. I won't tell you, I'll let you find out what happens!!! Also, grab ahold of the fender grabhandles, seems pretty flimsy to me. I know it probably doesn't matter if the fender is a little flimsy, but I wouldn't accept an F-150 with a flimsy exterior. Take a look at the radiator prescreen... what is its purpose???

I was also wondering why Deere doesn't make the mid-PTO standard as well as the flex link ends on the 3-point? Maybe its because after your price out a 3320 with these options you are looking at a very big chunk of change. I would go with a DX33 (or TC33) because the tractor comes standard with these features and was still less than the Deere, w/o these features. Other reasons to look at the DX/TC33: tilt and telescopic steering, swivel seat (Great for brush hogging), more PTO horsepower, and Supersteer (NH).

On this site the general consensus is that the Big 3 are all equal in terms of features and quality, but I don't think that is necessarily true. On some models NH tractors have some features that are superior to Deere, and on other models the Deere tractor has some superior features. Yes... all 3 manufacturers' tractors will get the job done, but if it were me I would buy the tractor that will provide the most value to me in the long run, even if it does cost a little bit more.

 

[cruzr]

I've read the NH versus Deere debate many times on this forum. Yes NH has some nice features. I own 2 Ford tractors also, but have had to chase 3 different dealers over a 80 mile radius, just to buy parts or get repairs over the last 20 years. For some reason New Holland dealers have never been able to stay in one place for any length of time. Deere dealers are three to one in my area, and all have been there many years.
One a personal basis, I test drove NH TC30 and TC33, Kubota L3400 and L3130. The 3320 hands down felt better to me. This is my personal experience and opinion. Yours is apparently different than mine. I didnt intend to offend any other owners, just truthfully gave my opinion through my experiences. Have fun with whatever you own or purchase. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[skootter2]

Buy The 3320, I Love Mine. I have 1.5 Acres And Have A Blast. Before Some Of You Go Nuts, I Also Have 2 Other Properties, 10 & 3 Acres. Had A NH TC33DA, No Comparison As Far As Comfort And Power. Also Buy The 72" Implements, Tires (Turf On Mine) Are 60" Wide.

 

[dmp437]

Take a look at the radiator prescreen... what is its purpose???

The pre-screen catches the "big crap" that is more likely to plug up the radiator core as opposed to being sucked right through like the dust is. The last couple of weeks I've cleaned mine before every use and it's had stuff caught in it every time.

 

[rockyridgefarm]

I went out to buy a new hollasnd and came home with a Deere. I loved the way everything works on it and the support from the company behind it. Everytime I use it I feel more so. But New holland makes a great machine, and I am sure that I would love it if I had one as well.

 

[Keoke]

Hi folks, just a question to the group.
On 30 to 50 hsp compact tractors, is JD the only make that has hydro and brake pedals set up in such a way that brake steer is easy to do?
I am talking about doing brake steer without the cruise control being on.

thanks again,

 

[Ryno1]

I'll throw my vote with Bob, a 33hp is more then you need on 3 acres. I have the tc30 on 40 acres and in the yard it is too big at times. Down in the field (12-15 acres) it's probably too small but gets the job done. So like Bob, I say think smaller. Don't like JD, NH etc checkout Cub Cadet. Haven't tried one but they have a nice looking small tractor setup. By the way, did the NH dealer tell you that a 60" mmm mower would work on the TC33? Well check it out close, I was sold a 60" mmm for my TC30 and then the dealer found out it won't work. He swapped it for a 72".

 

[KenVT]

on the one hand...Needs, the other ....Wants, and then in the back pocket...the Wallet, Pick a hand, grab the wallet and you decide.

My story:
I shopped all over and researched like mad before buying my tractor, I was actually leaning towards the TC30 with the mindset, this'll do everything I need...., I don't need to spend any more, it's just a tractor, well the Wife Said, 'that thing is ugly', in the meantime my neighbor bought a TC33DA/7308FEL/Backhoe, loaded R4's for 23000, It seemed Big @ the time, But soon, it looked normal... Well the Wife said, 'if you want the TC30, get it, but it is gonna be the last tractor you buy, it had better do everything you want it to do, blahblah something something.. er rather' (might not be a direct quote)
Well now the 30 seemed a little too small, then I checked out the next class up, DX40Case, (Wife said she like the Red, and I didn't like the NH Headlights) So I got What I WANTED After 50 hrs on this tractor, it does not seem too Big, and the Ergonomics are great, and even with loaded R4's, it doesn't mark up the lawn.

so..My only advice is to get what you want, you won't ever regret it.
As for Which is Better....blahblahblah, I let the dealer blow smoke up there,

Oh, and your price sounds a little high, I got a price of 18000 for a Tc33da/FEL/loaded R4's, now add in the 2300 for the MMM, add some inflation, 21000 should be about right? Anyone?
That might help sway your decision.


Here is a pic of mine
Ken

 

[JT1972]

Lot of debate when researching the JD vs. NH. Some things I would research while you are examing machines below. There are some real differences between the machines. Print this and do your own research:

TC29DA & TC33DA
The New Holland Class II Compacts are rated at 29
and 33 gross engine hp, 23.6 and 26.9 PTO hp (HST
models), and 25.1 and 28.6 PTO hp (gear models).
The TC29DA and TC33DA are deluxe tractors with
standard FWD, optional 9 X 3 gear or 3 range hydro,
standard deluxe 3 point, and optional SuperSteer w/
Sensitrak.

John Deere 3120 & 3320
John Deere offers four models in the 3020 series, the
3120, 3320, 3520 and 3720. This comparison will
look at the 3120 and 3320, which match up closely
with the NH Class II compacts. The 3120 has 29.5
gross engine horsepower and 22 PTO hp, while the
3320 has 32.5 gross engine horsepower and 25 PTO
hp (HST model). A 3-range hydro is standard on the
3120 with no optional transmission and a 12 x 12
power shuttle transmission is standard on the 3320,
with the HST optional.

NH Class II Transmission
Benefits
• 3 range hydro or 9 x 3 gear transmission available
on both the TC29DA and TC33DA
• Cruise control is standard on hydro models
• Industry leader in driveline efficiency--81.5%
(engine hp transferred to PTO hp)
Value
• TC29DA has additional transmission option versus
3120
• More efficient engine HP to PTO HP to get the job
done
• Increased power to implements and attachments
3120 & 3320 Transmission
• 3120 is offered in eHydro only
• 3320 comes standard with 12 x 12 power shuttle
and optional eHydro
• Driveline efficiency is 74.6% (3120) and 76.9%
(3320). PTO HP is what does the work, make sure
your prospect understands this!
• e Hydro terminology:
• Motion match is the rate of return to neutral
• Load match prevents engine stall
• Speed match is the ability to preset max speed
3

NH TC29DA & TC33DA Overall Size
Benefits
• 2600 lbs overall weight (loader-ready)
• 106.2” L x 54.3” W
Value
• Higher horsepower to weight ratio
• Easy access to small work areas
• Better storage ability
• Maneuverability and less soil compaction

JD 3120 & 3320 Overall Size
• JD uses the same frame for the entire 3020 series,
while NH uses two frame sizes in this horsepower
range. This means that the smaller models, the
3120 and 3320, will be underpowered for their
frame size vs. New Holland
• 2900 lbs overall weight, more compaction
• Uses more storage space and will not work as well
in confined areas
• Overall size impedes visibility
Superior Operator’s Platform
Benefits
• Most spacious operator’s platform in the industry
• Deluxe features include a swivel seat, tilt and
telescopic steering, color coded and embossed
controls
• Seat features include an incline plane for fore/aft
adjustment and seat weight control
Value
• Operator convenience and comfort is superior,
makes for a more productive and less fatigued
operator
• Incline plane contributes to superior visibility

JD 3020 Series Operator’s Platform
• Operator sits low on the tractor and seat is on a
horizontal plane, this leads to poor visibility
• Seat does not swivel
• Steering column tilts, but doesn’t telescope
• No embossed or color coded controls and
controls are less rigid. Fenders are also less
rigid.
• No 12-volt power socket
4

NH Deluxe 3-point is Standard
Benefits
• Flex link ends, telescoping stabilizers, crank style
leveling mechanism are all standard equipment
• Category One 3-point
Value
• Operator ease--even the novice operator can hook
up to implements and attachments with ease

John Deere 3-Point
• 3-point arms are pin-on, not cast into rear axle
• Flex link ends are optional
• Crank style leveling device is not available.
Turnbuckle type leveling mechanism is cumbersome
to adjust.

NH Class II Visibility
Benefits
• Sloped hood design with 4 halogen headlights
• Can see side to side as well as in front of bucket in
loader applications
• Smallest blind spot in the industry
Value
• No visibility obstructions equals more productivity
and better safety

JD 3020 Series Visibility
• Semi-sloped hood design with only 2 halogen
headlights
• Operator sits very low on the tractor and the seat is
on a horizontal plane to provide poor visibility
• Semi-curved boom design detracts from visibility
as well
• Large blindspot

Supersteer with Sensitrak Option
Benefits
• Smallest turnaround diameter in the industry
• Automatic FWD, “Set it and forget it”
• Longer wheel base (72” vs 68”)
• NH exclusive, JD and Kubota cannot match!
Value
• Greatest turning productivity--75 degree turning
angle
• Sensitrak saves turf and tires
• The longer wheelbase provides more stability and
a smoother ride

JD 3020 Series Front Axle
• 62 degrees of turning angle (versus 75) means
more direction changes
• Manual FWD consumes more fuel and tears up
turf when turning, not good for turf applications
• Shorter wheelbase means a less stable stance
and not as smooth of a ride

TC29DA & TC33DA Serviceability
Benefits
• One-step service access
• Can gain complete access to engine with one
piece fiberglass hood
• Gas-charged prop cylinder raises the hood with
ease
• Service interval decal
Value
• Convenient service saves time, more productive
• No tools required for proper maintenance
• Proper maintenance leads to longer life

JD 3020 Series Serviceability
• Hood prop rod
• Hood is not sturdy and flexes considerably
• Access to air filter is very cumbersome and time
consuming. Rubber strap holds air cleaner in,
which is very difficult to access. Make sure your
prospect sees this!
• Non flow-thru radiator design. Lower cost
alternative vs a flow-thru radiator on the NH
compact tractors
• The radiator prescreen is made of plastic


NH Class II Lighting Package
Benefits
• Two top mounted halogen corner worklights
• Two halogen headlights with dual beams
• 21st century styling
Value
• Provides superior nighttime illumination and
visibility

JD 3020 Series Lighting Package
• Two halogen headlights
• No sidelights or worklights
• Visibility with loader is poor in nighttime applications

14LA and 15LA Loaders
For more info, see the Loader Tooth and Nail found
under the “Implements for Compact Tractors” heading
Benefits
• True curved boom loader; one piece design
• Larger rectangular torque tube
• Cast iron boom ends
Value
• Curved boom design means better visibility and
eliminates stress at welded joints
• Durable and reliable loader
• Construction grade loader

300CX Loader
• Semi-curved boom, two piece construction with
welded joint
• Semi-curved boom still impairs visibility and is
less durable than a true one-piece curved boom
• Small diameter torque tube
• Low grade boom ends
• Not a construction grade loader!

 

[Tex22]

I have a TC24DA and 3 acres of lawn, pasture and woods with a 600 foot driveway. I use it to mostly to move material (sand for corrals, manure, gravel for the driveway, etc.) and to maintain the corral and driveway. The TC24 does everything I need it to and more. The small size is a big plus because I can get into really tight areas and get very precise with the loader or blade.