Another news story about loose dogs

[Dallas_Lilly]

I think this dog owner did the right thing. This all happened about two miles from my house, luckily the ran the opposite direction of my place.

Wolf-dogs escape Flagstaff pen, kill animals

Wolf-dog found in Doney Park

 

[Bird]

Bird; As a young kid I watch a lab and a mutt{collie mix} rip a mini doberman in half. It is not a pleasent site nor sound at all.

Yes, when our younger daughter was maybe 11 years old, she had a small dog that belonged to the next door neighbors on a leash in our front yard when a beautiful pair of Alaskan Malamutes showed up and attacked the little dog, literally skinned it out by pulling in opposite directions. No one in our neighborhood had ever seen those two dogs before and we never found out where they had come from. They, too, were not agressive toward humans and we put them in my fenced backyard to wait for the animal control truck to come get them.

 

[dave1949]

You and many others feel this way IMO opinion that is sad. An animal gets a bad rap because of Jack butt humans. Just think who would you want in your forest as a neighbor, a black bear or a bunch of idiot humans? Idiots can ruin anything, I'll hang with the bear any day
An animal is just that nothing more or less society makes the killer!!!



Agreed caretakers are the true blame, but that's to hard for most to admit. It's much easier to point a finger at a breed of dog then a human. After all that human idiot looks just like the rest of us

Good Morning 20_20,

There is no getting around it, other humans are the most dangerous things to us. Better to live where there aren't too many around

It's very possible my ideas about pit bulls are influenced by news articles, etc. Show me a mind outside the ages of 15-18 that cannot be influenced. But, that's what is dangerous about the whole issue for dog owners in general.
Dave.

 

[20 20]

Good Morning 20_20,

There is no getting around it, other humans are the most dangerous things to us. Better to live where there aren't too many around

No such thing as, to far into the woods IMO

It's very possible my ideas about pit bulls are influenced by news articles, etc. Show me a mind outside the ages of 15-18 that cannot be influenced. But, that's what is dangerous about the whole issue for dog owners in general.
Dave.

I have a couple of comments about this thread. I've noticed instantly pit bulls came up, but what about the mastiff? From the way I took the article he was the more dangerous, leader of the pack? I'm not knocking mastiff's either{think there beautifull}, just find it funny{odd}. Then of course we have the wonderfull medi , in all their wisdom. They never did say positively that the other dogs involved were Pit Bulls. The reason I say this is because I have seen false claims before. Jumping to a conclusion with no evidence, it's a dog attack, "so of course it had to be _______{Pit Bulls}. I have also seen respectable career minded people{police} make mistakes too. They say it's a Pit Bull{must be it attacked} but in fact it was a 115lb lab{to big for a Pit Bull}. I'm not saying Pit Bulls have never attacked but I have seen many misclaims made. I think we can all agree our medi can be full of dung on many occassions. Like I said in the 1st post I made, the true sad story here is an attack on folks{especially children}. Everything else is hear say with nothing backing it. Of course everyone is quick to jump in and start pointing blame at Pit Bulls, because after all it was a dog attack.
I have heard folks say all Pit Bulls should be banned{killed off}. So in the end we ban the PB's, what does crack head Boo use next for kicks, labs, jack russels, goats, killer turkeys....... If one wants to kill the nature of the beast, they need to attack the beast not the tool they're using.

 

[20 20]

Bird; Alaskan malamutes are a very beautifull creatures. They are also VERY powerfull and full of energy. They can be wonderfull as a friend or monsters, depending on how they're treated/raised.
My sister had one for a short time, big sweet heart, around people{including kids}. BUT if any other animal came within striking range it was over. She rescued the dog from a farmer, he let it go because it was bad for business{killed his goats chickens etc..}. She ended up giving it away because it was to much for her{especially in town}. The dog loved running out to see the school kids after school{breaking lose from it's pen}. This in itself was no big deal. The problem was that he'd{malamute} chase everyone else's pet. I hated to see that dog go, but I have to say my sister did the right thing. In the end it was not the dogs fault, and that it took a responsible caretaker to do the right thing. The last I knew the dog lived a great life with lots of free room to run.

 

[dave1949]

I have a couple of comments about this thread. I've noticed instantly pit bulls came up, but what about the mastiff? From the way I took the article he was the more dangerous, leader of the pack?

I wonder about the mastiff also, there are several types, so from the beginning, we are missing info. I figure the mastiff was the one big enough to break through the fence.

The other issue is the mastiff reportedly snatched the young child out of the mother's arms - I think that sounds a bit odd, but again lacking info. The sound of a baby crying is one of the few natural sounds our dog will react to coming out of the TV set. Coyote howls, etc., seem to not bother him at all when coming from the TV.

His reaction isn't to go and bite the TV, he picks up his ears and gets a concerned look, like - what's wrong. We don't have any kids here and he has seldom if ever been exposed to small babies. He likes grade school kids a whole lot.

That's why I think knowing the history of the dogs is important. And we shouldn't try to extract too much information based on the limited facts presented, this is true.
Dave.

 

[Sigarms]

If a dog is on your property barking and growling at you or your family and you shoot it you are liable to be charged with animal cruelty (assuming anyone finds out).

In most juristictions, as long as you feared for your life, killing a dog on your property will pose no problems for you if the law asks.

However, what caring family of a dog would let it roam onto another persons property without some sort of supervision or be looking for it?

The answer is simple, a family that doesn't care what their dog does. IMO a family like that shouldn't get a dog, but you know what the chances are that they (the family) will get another one if their current one dissapears?

Here is another analogy.

The "pit bull" has become the Saturday night special of dogs.

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/rural-living/135433-caucasian-ovcharka-4.html

The above dog represents the Kimber

I found it ironic that the above thread pasted didn't become "heated" due to someone wanting to own a "dangerous" dog, but mention the "pit bull" and some of the gloves come off because you own a "killer dog".

 

[NuBota]

I happened across this news article and thought of this thread - sad irony here.....


Pet owner killed by dogs after saving them from death - Yahoo! News

 

[Western]

This sounds bad, but at least it was the owner who "got it". Call it arrogance , stupidity or misplaced emotion, he won the fight but lost the war..for what?

 

[dave1949]

This sounds bad, but at least it was the owner who "got it". Call it arrogance , stupidity or misplaced emotion, he won the fight but lost the war..for what?

Good Morning Western,

There is a lot to the 'for what' I think. I have been cruising dog breeder sites this morning looking at them from the perspective of what human personality traits are being appealed to. Okay, so I am putting off working on my taxes

For example, these appear to be nice but serious dogs:
Shiloh Shepherds Home: Shiloh Shepherd pictures, breed, club, registry info!

I thought I could find an opposing example from the German Shepard 'schutzhund' area that would look quite a bit different, but I see they are not easy to find, or the breeders are emphasizing other qualities these days. Some used to be out there that were more on the neo-**** side of things. There are legitimate kennels and trainers that advertise protection dogs and dogs trained for the schutzhund sport, which I don't know much about.

Besides the overall presentation, the character of the names given to the dogs vary considerably also. Are you inclined to be a 'Sweet Sabrina' type dog owner or a 'Sweatin' Bullets' type for example.

I don't want to descend into unlicensed psycho-babble, but there are factors at work here that originate within the human personality. The dog breed, and which breeds appeal to various people and why, is a consequence of those factors IMO.

Also, it seems dogs are granted a 'free pass' much of the time. If the man in the article was keeping three monkeys and one ran out and bit a passerby, would they have been quarantined for four years! and then returned after a court appeal? Maybe, but I doubt it. Is this because humans have a special innate connection with dogs?

Whatever the motivations were for the now dead dog owner, I will go out on a limb and say if the dogs in the story were replaced by almost any other object or animal, we would agree in a heartbeat he was not mentally healthy.
Dave.