Another tire loading question...

[greg_g]

Calcium, yes. Contain it within tubes as otherwise its corrosive to the steel rims. RimGuard, no. It's beet juice. Biodegradable. You got suckered.

Don't waste a nickel on tubes or the labor to install them. The only exceptions that come to mind; (a) if you've already got tubes installed, or (b) you're ballasting previously damaged tubeless rims that already leak

//greg//

 

[WilliamBos]

Forget loading the tires, just add cast iron weights.

 

[4310]

I haven't got suckered....yet anyway. I've just called around to get prices so far. He said that he would put tubes in and fill the tires (15-19.5) with rim guard for around $300.

I think he said rim guard was around $3 a gallon. I'm probably going to leave them empty and see how things go this winter and next spring after I mow a few times ,then if I need to giving a try at filling them myself with RV antifreeze.

I'm really not anticipating even having to fool with it though. This 4310 with the loader will weigh at least 1000 pounds more than the 850 that didn't have a loader and I did pretty good mowing and moving snow with it.

 

[greg_g]

Rimguard resellers seem to charge whatever the market will bear. A few have paid more, most have paid less. Me for example; I paid $2.37/gallon installed in tubeless tires. Hopefully his quote includes installation and tubes.

//greg//

 

[sunnyside360]

I paid ~$2.50/gallon for Rimguard 2 yrs ago --- no tubes.

 

[SPYDERLK]

One guy who neglected to air up his tires after installing RimGuard does not make an issue. You put the valve stem at the 12 o'clock position, fill the tire till it won't take any more. This puts you in the neighborhood of a 70% fill. Replace the valve stem, and add air to the manufacturer recommended pressure. No slippage.

//greg//

Keeping your tires rock hard is not an acceptable remedy due traction and ride detriment.

This is not the only incident. It is the second one that I have seen substantiated on TBN. The 1st was in the 2005/06 time frame and I cant find it. Doing a search you also run into several "tractor wont move sometimes" that are not resolved in the thread. OP too embarassed to report back :confused3: ... I believe you will see slippage in hi tractive situations on tractors with small diameter rims [therefore non AG] when being used hard. Rimguard is kinda like KY. If the bead squirms even a little it works its way in and you have a lasting problem that takes dismount and cleaning to rid of.
larry

 

[greg_g]

So now it's (maybe) two guys. You ever consider one might have had 300+ horsepower? Enough to slip a bead with or without RimGuard? Or perhaps the incompetent who greases the bead to make tire installation easier on himself?

But where do you get "rock hard" out of 12 PSI? When RimGuard is added as I described - and the valve stem is reinstalled - the tire air pressure will be zero PSI. All I said to do was to add air to the manufacturer recommended pressure. In the case of my R4s, that's 12 PSI rear and 45 PSI front (FEL rating). Besides RimGuard is NOT slippery, it's actually quite sticky. Beet juice is sugar, remember? If you actually had any "hands-on" experience with RimGuard you'd already know this.

It's not worth my time to scour the internet searching for your alleged examples. I have had RimGuard professionally installed in my last 3 tractors; two had R1s, the current has R4s. No rim slippage. That's all the "examples" I need !

//greg//

 

[xtn]

Just had my rears filled with water and 3 gallons of RV antifreeze in each. Is Rimguard heavier? Sure. Is it worth the extra money? Dunno cuz I'm not spending the money to find out.

xtn

 

[greg_g]

Absolutely. Specific gravity of RV antifreeze (propylene glycol) is typically ~1.025, which makes it barely heavier than distilled water (8.3 lbs/gal). RimGuard weighs a hefty 11 lbs/gal. That makes RimGuard nearly 30% heavier than RV anti-freeze. What folks so often fail to consider regarding liquid ballast is in price per pound - not price per gallon

//greg//

 

[sunnyside360]

What folks so often fail to consider regarding liquid ballast is in price per pound - not price per gallon

//greg//

In addition, Rimguard will add 32% more weight per unit volume --- important for maximum ballast effectiveness.

 

[glc24]

Here is a Rimguard chart that was posted elsewhere.

Rim Guard - Liquid Tire Ballast


Greg

 

[Tx Jim]

Just had my rears filled with water and 3 gallons of RV antifreeze in each. Is Rimguard heavier? Sure. Is it worth the extra money? Dunno cuz I'm not spending the money to find out.

xtn

What size rear tires or how many gallons of H20 + AF to give what temp protection? I have cast wheels to more than cover the 30+ % extra of Rimguard.Thanks,Jim

 

[xtn]

Rear tires are 43x16-20 and supposedly will hold about 38 gallons each. Used 3 gallons each of -50 antifreeze. I guess that ought to keep it no worse than slushy down to 27F-ish. That's enough for the Dallas area and garage storage.

Total cost was $57 installed (tractor was already at dealer for other work). Should weigh about 315 lbs per tire. 630 lbs for both tires. That's 9.04 cents per pound. Using more antifreeze would of course up the cost.

If we use rimguard at $2.37 per gallon installed as mentioned above, that's $180 for the same fill. Would be about 410 lbs per tire or 820 lbs total. That's an extra 190 pounds, but it's also 21.9 cents per pound.

I chose the 630 pounds for $57.

In a colder climate requiring more severe freeze protection, Rimguard might quickly become cheaper than adding lots more antifreeze.