Any TZ owners out there?

[bandit67]

I am no less satisfied with my DX24E (twin to the TZ24) than my neighbor's BX22 (except my machine isn't too good in the backhoe department /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif). Yes, there are limits to the FEL, but that little machine impresses me and others that see me working it with it's abilities for its size.

However, I may be having a problem with my PTO, as last summer, it was easily able to power through dirt down to 6" with my 50" Landpride tiller, but since an incident last fall where the tiller stopped dead in some extremely hard packed clay dirt at only 3" down, it doesn't seem to have the same power to run the tiller that it once did. Until I can do a side by side (maybe this weekend) with my neighbor's BX22 running the same tiller in the same patch of dirt, I won't know for sure. But I do believe some sort of internal damage was done (maybe to the PTO clutches), that is affecting the PTO hp output. When I questioned the tiller size on my tractor, my dealer said he's sold a bunch of BX's with the same exact 50" tiller, with no complaints yet. Like I said, the first few uses, I was very impressed with the ease the tiller cut through the dirt, but I think that the combination of hard pack, attempted bite depth, and ground speed was a bit too much for it.

 

[jim_wilson]

Since you have had the chance to use both your Case DX and your neighbors BX22 how do you think they compare as far as FEL capacity, tractor ease of use, etc.? You are probably one of the few people on this board who have had any real experience using two different manufacturers SubCUT sized tractors and and comparison info would be interesting. BTW - I have a BX23 but what I am really interested in is to see how comparable the tractors are to each other and how they might be different - when I was looking I seriously considered the NH TZ, but at the time there was no backhoe available.

 

[bandit67]

As many have said, I don't think you can go wrong with either. I chose the Case because I preferred more of the Case features over the Kubota.

I preferred the dual hydro pedals over the treddle pedal (probably because all of my previous experience was with gear drive machines), but as time's gone by, I've gotten more accustomed to the Kubota pedal, and it doesn't bother me as much as it did when I first started with the new machines. I've gotten fairly comfortable with how to use it, and in certain circumstances, like driving with the pedal fully engaged for any sort of distance, I actually now prefer the Kubota treddle pedal.

I still much prefer the Case curved loader arms, sloped hood, and slightly higher seating position over the Kubota, as I can see out in front of the machine much better. Both FELs seem very comparable - I haven't pushed the Kubota FEL as far as I have the Case, so I don't know exactly how they compare at the upper limits. I am very impressed with the strength of the Case FEL. As a small test, I've loaded 640 lbs of bagged concrete mix (some 200# over the listed limits), and was able to easily lift it full height - I was curious as to it's lift capacity, as I've strained it moving loads of stone. I prefer the Case for FEL work, so when I have both machines at my disposal, I switch back to my machine when I need to do a bunch of loader work.

Both motors are very strong, but the Kubota SEEMS to have just a slight edge at idle, but the differences disappear at anything above idle. The Kubota's traction is significantly better with turfs than my machine was with turfs, but that's due to the weight of the backhoe - I'm sure that the Case with the Woods backhoe would equal the Kubota's traction capabilities.

I prefer the larger 3pt hitch on my Case, as I have 3 different implements that I switch between. The Kubota 3pt hitch goes virtually unused by either of us. It will be interesting to compare the the hitches once we hook up my tiller to both machines for the side by side comparison.

The Case & NH have a big advantage with the 8 gallon fuel tank compared to the Kubota 5.5 gallon tank. Engine access is better on the Case & NH - my neighbor removed his side panels to do some maintenance and never put them back on because he didn't want to have to keep pulling them off each time he wanted to get to the motor, so his Kubota doesn't look as pretty.

Also, the orange paint definitely attracts more bees than the red paint does.

With my neighbor owning a BX22, and my not thinking I'd actually have that much use for a backhoe, I really couldn't justify getting a BX23, so it came down to the BX2230 and the Case DX24E or NH TZ24, and the Case & NH felt a little more comfortable to me. However, with the amount of use I've had for the backhoe, if one of us moves, then there is a 90% chance I will buy the Groundbreaker backhoe for my machine.

Overall, the quality seems to be comparable with both machines. Both of our machines have experienced various minor parts breakage/failures that were nothing more than minor inconveniences. Both are very capable machines. I think in the end, when choosing one of these machines, it should simply come down to personal ergonomic comfort and price. Kubota has the edge if you are looking for a backhoe, but now that Woods has the Groundbreaker, the Case & NH should be at least considered.

 

[voos]

I Finally Got my first Tractor. I have wanted a Compact Tractor for the last 10 years. Today I got a TZ25DA with 10LA Loader & 60'' Mid Mount Mower & 52'' inch New Holland Rototiller I Was Wondering what you guys thought of the price I paid ( $14395.00 ) I took advantage of the 5yrs 2.9% CNH Financing and had the machine delivered to my Home.

I Played around on it for a few hours today It Seems real nice and I think after I get used to digging and tilling it will be great. The FEL seems to take a little getting used to.

Any Suggestions on a BAckhoe for this Machine ?

Thanks
Voos

 

[bandit67]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( ( Any Suggestions on a BAckhoe for this Machine ? ))</font>

The Woods Groudbreaker BH6000. See it HERE
HERE's a link to a thread with pics of the BH6000 on a TZ24

 

[rrasi]

So I also have at tz25da and love it. I want to get a loader now...
What model bush hog should I get?
or, what woods model should I get?

 

[llhjunk]

I have had the TZ22da with Woods FEL, 60" NH MMM, 60" NH tiller and a Meteor 60" rear mount snowblower. I am very pleased with the entire rig. I have no power issues and am so happy I moved up from the Cub Cadet 982 I previously owned. I know that there haven't been much written about the TZ's and I assume it is because everyone is pretty happy!

 

[rrasi]

what model woods front end loader did you have? and do you know how it compares to the bush hog?

I was also thinking of getting a generator to run off of my rear pto. Anyone have any experience with that?

thanks, jeremy

 

[maintainer]

I have a tz25 with 10la loader,60"mmm,60" bush hog tiller, and 3pt sprayer. I have roughly 190 hours in 4 years with minimal problems. Loader moves snow all winter, I till several gardens spring and fall, and have sprayed at least 50 tank loads out of the 55 gal sprayer, and also mow my lawn(not real big). The tiller is a little big, but it does what I need. I would not want to go smaller than the 25 hp, but this little machine has not let me down yet. I used a JD2305 in 2005 for the summer which is the reason I went with blue. I did not like the control set up on the JD and also the operator station/foot space is genuine plastic which is slippery with damp shoes/boots. The tz also gives a nicercut lawn(in my opinion). The JD just had just had too many things I didn't like when compared to the blue.