Anyone else have a 6.4L ford diesel?

   / Anyone else have a 6.4L ford diesel?
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#31  
Wont work. Needs to be 4WD and fit in a garage. Not gonna do that with a true medium, but as you suggested, the ram 5500 4WD cummins/aisin might be as good as it gets.
Just don't like the bailout money they got and they're hencho in mexico, too.
 
   / Anyone else have a 6.4L ford diesel? #32  
Hay Dude said:
Wont work. Needs to be 4WD and fit in a garage. Not gonna do that with a true medium, but as you suggested, the ram 5500 4WD cummins/aisin might be as good as it gets.
Just don't like the bailout money they got and they're hencho in mexico, too.

I'm in kinda the same boat, I really need 4wd. Not to mention I'd like to stay under the radar and not get into CDL land. Though if I could get a Hino with 4wd here in the US I might change my mind.
 
   / Anyone else have a 6.4L ford diesel? #33  
Wont work. Needs to be 4WD and fit in a garage. Not gonna do that with a true medium, but as you suggested, the ram 5500 4WD cummins/aisin might be as good as it gets.
Just don't like the bailout money they got and they're hencho in mexico, too.

The Ford is built in Kentucky but the 6.7 Powerstroke is built in Mexico. So far I really like my 6.7. I never had any problems with my 6.4 except for the fuel mileage and that's a problem with all the 6.4's.
 
   / Anyone else have a 6.4L ford diesel?
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#34  
The Ford is built in Kentucky but the 6.7 Powerstroke is built in Mexico. So far I really like my 6.7. I never had any problems with my 6.4 except for the fuel mileage and that's a problem with all the 6.4's.

Just to be clear, I meant the Dodge 4500/5500 is built in MX. I did know the 6.7L is built in Mexico, too.
I have the low MPG problem on steroids because I have 4.88's. Pickups have 3.73's. I'd probably be thrilled with my fuel economy if I had 3.73's.
 
   / Anyone else have a 6.4L ford diesel? #35  
The engine in a 6.4L is anything but 'problematic' if you do any reading on the engine. Yes, it has the typical sensor failures, but you're not seeing the head gasket/head stud failures of the 6.4L's, you're not seeing the transmission problems of the duramax or dodges, you're not seeing injectors go, or the turbos go (issues on the new 6.7's).

Most of the issues are regarding the DPF.

Delete it. I've had dealers say that to my face and that's what I've done to my own truck. 08, 6.4L king ranch edition. As for being a 'commercial' vehicle and breaking the law - #1 there is no way, anyone can tell. #2. If you're DPF is broken, there is no way they can hit you on it anyways. Any truck with a PTO or a hydropack would technically be breaking the law. Or anyone who's done any type of engine work / exhaust work. You could also turn the DPF off and leave it on. (Just not for high performance tunes.) So it's still physically there, the ECM just doesn't think it is.



And for the record, I'm at about 570 RWHP right now, getting 22-24 MPG high way. 17~ish city.
 
   / Anyone else have a 6.4L ford diesel? #36  
So what about cam failure, piston jets falling out or rocker arm breakage?
 
   / Anyone else have a 6.4L ford diesel? #37  
What foxtrot said is about right. Only problem is anyone I've known pushing around those kinda hp numbers in a 6.4 have problems, mainly the fuel system. Looks expensive when they have to pull the cab off to fix it.


I understand dodge is going to a urea set up instead of using so much egr and they are going to get mpg numbers similar to the old 5.9s. I read this the other day. Still not tempted to buy a new truck, I like my 07 5.9 cummins too much.
 
   / Anyone else have a 6.4L ford diesel? #38  
So what about cam failure, piston jets falling out or rocker arm breakage?



Out of all the ford dealers I've worked with and all the forums I've read (I'm on a number of powerstroke forums) the majority of the cam failures and rocker arm breakages occur in modified engines.

If you're doubling the HP of the engine and not expecting something to break, then you have a few screws loose yourself. Easy as that.

My failures I've had in my 6.4L with 90k on it:

1 stuck injector (Probably my fault, long story.)
1 Transmission temp sensor
1 Wiring harness on the high pressure fuel line. (Recall on Job 1 trucks anyways.)
1 EGR (Have since deleted it. Was my fault to begin with, running a tuned truck with EGR still on.)
1 Coolant temperature sensor failure
x3 Pulleys - 1 requiring a belt replacement. (None of them stopped the truck from working. I took it in when I had time to put it down. The squeek was just annoying and it was under warranty. One I fixed myself, and one they replaced because it was starting to go)
1 Anti-freeze line split. (Cheap chinese plastic in a high temp area? Go figure.)

Truck has been in the shop 5 times total in it's life with me - 4 years. The majority (Since 22k miles) It's been tuned. I expect sensor failure and I expect plastic parts failure. Lets face it, every manufacturer builds stuff as cheap as possible. Especially wiring harnesses, plastic lines, etc.

Even the old 5.9's had some issues - look at the 24V 5.9's burning up ECM's, anyone want to talk about that?

Thing to think about. These companies (Ford / Dodge / GM are all in the same boat) have to respond as fast as possible to EPA requirements. The 6.4L came up in under 2 years development, the 6.7L came up in just over 3 years development. You cannot tell me that these companies have enough time to properly stress test these engines under all conditions. I know they try, but there is no way. You're not seeing engines develop over time like you used to. Look at the old ford 7.3 or the old dodge 5.9 - they took 5-8 years to develop the engine before it was finally released. These companies have had respond to: USLD, 3 different series of EPA emissions, and now they're looking at Heavy Duty CAFE standards in a few years.

No one knew the long term effects of ULSD, or all the different grades of ULSD sold across the united states. No one knows the long term effect or urea - and let me tell you, there are PLENTY of issues with urea. You're hauling around 90+% water - what happens when the heating element in your urea tank goes out, and you're in 0 degree weather? Want to talk about thousands of dollars worth of damage and a real dead truck?

Anyways, my point is with any new engine, these manufacturers don't have enough time to properly test the engine. If you want a reliable, fuel-efficient engine, without the quarks of the new diesels, prepare to do off the book stuff. Or, you're just going to have to deal with the failures of the new engines. It's becoming the same way with HD engines in semi's.

Most of the fuel system issues are caused by people not changing their fuel filters. ULSD is a horrible fuel. You have to change BOTH fuel filters in 6.4L engines, every 10k miles or less. (I change mine every 7k) or else the High pressure fuel pump WILL die.

As for pulling the cab off - it's actually easier then it seems, if you know what you're doing. A proper tech can have the cab off in under an hour. Alot faster then pulling the front clip off a truck... Also, it's a lot easier for the tech to work on, instead of climbing in and out of the hood 1000x times. They can just step on the frame and lean over the engines. Most ford techs I talk to actually like it, vs pulling body panels off, etc. There are a few tricks to getting the cab off, the biggest one is heating a wrench up and bending it, so you can use an impact on the cab bolts vs. wrenching them off with a ratchet. This saves about 2 hours time.
 
   / Anyone else have a 6.4L ford diesel? #39  
Well I've never been around any modified 6.4L engines. The cam failure I've see where the lobes wipe. A good friend of mine just had his 2nd 6.4 fail from an oil squirted that has fallen out.
 
   / Anyone else have a 6.4L ford diesel? #40  
Can you be a little bit more clear on 'an oil squirted that has fallen out'?

That's fairly vague. To me it sounds like he had an EGR cooler go bad. From there, all sorts of **** goes south. (Including cracked blocks.)
 

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