Anyone have an R1 tire pop off?

[txhawg]

Here's the deal. I am really leaning towards Ag tires on a JD 4310 with FEL for the increased grab ability. I know they tear up grass, but I won't be driving on grass. My dealer says that they will pop off when using a loader because they are thinner than the industrial R4's. Has anyone ever had this happen to them? Is it really necessary to get industrial tires when using a loader?

 

[_RaT_]

Ag tires are fine for the loader, just need to keep them up to maximum pressure when using the loader. I have never popped a tire off as a result of the loader. I think the R4's handle the load better then R1's, at least the stock ones do, but the R1's have far better traction and consequently wear much faster.

 

[slowzuki]

All the main brands put r-1's with enough ply rating / load rating to handle their loaders when fully inflated.

Our ag tractor doesn't like moving 1 yard buckets of gravel on flat r-1 tires, they squirm and roll when turning. I don't do it often buy need the pressure low almost all the rest of the time.

 

[RickB]

It depends on the ply rating of the R-1 tires Deere is using. 4plys won't cut it. 6ply would be my minimum, and 8 would be better. Not that a properly inflated tire of any ply will "pop off", overloaded tires will just fail sooner under load. The load capacity of ANY tire is based on construction AND inflation pressure.

 

[Bird]

I prefer the R1 tires myself, and as has been said, they just need to be inflated properly when using the front end loader. On my B2710, I ran 16 psi in the front tires when mowing, tilling, etc. and when I intended to lift heavy loads with the FEL, I upped them to 24 psi and never had a problem at that pressure. However, on one occasion, when I had the forks on the bucket and lifted a full 55 gallon barrel of diesel on a pallet out of the back of my pickup to set it back in the shop, I got lazy and decided not to add air to the front tires just for that one quick little job, and when I made a very sharp turn with that much load, I rolled one front tire off the rim. Of course, it wasn't a serious problem since I was near the shop door and air hose; just used the FEL to raise the front tires off the ground and aired both of them up to the proper pressure.

 

[JerryG]

Your dealer must have the R-4s and he must not want to change them. As long as you have the proper amount of air in the tires, you shouldn't have any problems with the R-1s.

 

[Henro]

Just a thought to keep in your back pocket...

If you did get the R1 tires and you did end up having problems, all would not be lost.

You could always get them foam filled later if such service is available near you. Punctures would be a non issue then as well... /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif Would probably cost a bit over $100 per front tire though... /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

 

[Ledgemere Farm]

He's right. If you have any slack in your front R1 and you turn with a loaded bucket, there is a really good chance of the tire popping off.

 

[txhawg]

Would this be any different with the industrial R4's? I would think that any tire that is underinflated could come off the rim when turning very sharp under load. What if I were to get the wider R1's?

 

[Ledgemere Farm]

That I can't say. My experience is only limited to turf and bar-type tires. I have had the bar tires come off on a couple of occasions. If you jacked up the wheel, so that the weight were off it, you could easilly re-inflate with a compressor. The turf tires seemed to squat considerably when I had a loaded bucket, but I never had one come off like the bar tires did.

 

[_RaT_]

"He's right. If you have any slack in your front R1 and you turn with a loaded bucket, there is a really good chance of the tire popping off."

I would think that if you had this problem, one of two things was happening, you were under inflated or the tractor loader or tire were not designed correctly for each other. A Kubota L4850 I used for many years would easily load up the R1's it had, but never could I pop the bead. The bucket heaped could hold about 1 yard.

I have yet to see where an R4 could not easily handle the load. They are basically bullet proff when it comes to that. I simply cannot overload mine when inflated to the max pressure.

 

[RickB]

This issue is related to inflation pressure and tire load rating, not tread style. Except for the fact that turf and bar turf tires are typically low ply and low load tires.

 

[Boondox]

I had that happen once while making a hard turn with a full bucket, but it was completely my own fault for not checking tire inflation. Just lost the bead and the antifreeze. No big deal, and it hasn't happened again since I no longer make that newbie mistake. Pete

 

[txhawg]

Boondox - How underinflated were you? Just curious.

I think I am going to ask for the wider R1's. Probably the best compromise.

 

[_RaT_]

Loaded front tires?

 

[txhawg]

Whoah! I just checked the configurator and you can't get the wider R1's with the eHydro? What's up with that? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif I really want the ground clearance and traction the ag tires provide.

 

[Boondox]

Yeah, they were loaded and tubeless. I put a tube in before remounting and refilled with windshield washer fluid. As to the pressure, I really don't know. It was in my newbie days when I noticed them bulging under the weight of a bucketload of wet sand, but didn't think much about it till the seal broke.

It was an ignorant moment. Pete

 

[AndyMA]

I've run R1's on all of my tractors for the last 40 plus years and done 1000's of hours of loader work. I have never had a R1 (even a 4 ply) pop off the rim. the only tractor I had without R1's was a tiny Deere 750 with turfs which I didn't really enjoy for loader work.
Obviously keep you tire pressure up. BTW I always keep my tires at rated PSI so that I have load capacity.
I agree that underflated tires can flex sidewalls and fall off. On my 2120 many times with rated psi, I had the tires flexed so that the rims were barely off the ground and still did not loose a bead.

Just my experiences.

Andy

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

Yes, It was the front right tire on our 5420. Attempting to load the front bucket, the 4WD was on and the front tires started to "bite" and it de-beaded so quick I didn't notice it until I started to back up.

I don't know how low the pressure was, but the other front was at 20 psi. Max is 35 psi. Tires are not loaded.

I had it fixed and put them up to 35 psi and have now moved at least 200 bucket loads with no problems.

Get the R1's, keep them aired up...Kyle

 

[Cactus]

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Probably rub on the inside when you cut the wheels too sharp.