Anyone is considering a new DK40SE with FEL.

[crashz]

I can see why Ebay would degrade a dealership network. If dealership X is selling and shipping tractors all over the country, pricing them so low that they put other dealers out of business, warranty and service issues will arise. If I bought a tractor with shipping from Oregon and had a service issue, it would not be practical to think that either myself or the dealership would cover transportation for warranty or service work. Of course, me being picky and just computer literate enought to buy and sell on ebay, would get on the net screaming about how crappy the tractor is and how I got screwed by that tractor manufacture.

Which would be totally different if I bought from someone like Wallace. In that case the both of us would know about the distance issues up front and we'd work that out prior to the sale. Making a happy customer and happy dealer.

 

[tlbuser]

You do not have to tip off Kioti they do have computers...
I know all about ebay and selling Kioti.
I have driven down this road before and I got my hands slapped...No actually I was told that it must be remove before the end of the business day or.....well lets just say I removed it.
They are very strict when it comes to ebay.

So, Kioti is a great product although they restrict free trade? And, Kioti will allow their list prices to be posted in trade magazines, but a dealer isn't allowed to?

 

[buckeyefarmer]

So, Kioti is a great product although they restrict free trade? And, Kioti will allow their list prices to be posted in trade magazines, but a dealer isn't allowed to?

I seem to recall kubota dealers getting in trouble for posting prices other than MSRP.

 

[manganos]

I doubt this was/is Kioti's doing. It is the dealers who whine to them complaining how they have to make a certain dollar on a particular item. I could be wrong but I've seen it before. You get enough dealers to start complaining and they take action. The action usually is what we saw happen on this Ebay listing.

So, Kioti is a great product although they restrict free trade? And, Kioti will allow their list prices to be posted in trade magazines, but a dealer isn't allowed to?

 

[turbo36]

So, Kioti is a great product although they restrict free trade? And, Kioti will allow their list prices to be posted in trade magazines, but a dealer isn't allowed to?

Seems like a double standard, they want to operate under free trade rules where they can move around the world looking for the lowest cost labor and let the market dictate, but if a dealer uses the free market they chop em down. They must want it both ways I guess.

 

[dfkrug]

The tractor has been relisted. No BIN price is given, however. If anyone is
remotely interested in a new tractor and is not far from NH, they should
try to make a deal....

I do not see any legal way that the manufacturer can set a minimum price
for a dealer to sell his tractors. That was tried in the 70s with consumer
electronics (so-called "fair-trade") and declared illegal. That is not to say
that Kioti does not have some restrictive rules in the dealer contract to
try to work around that. Prob advertising restrictions. Wallace could tell us.

I also don't see how Kioti could void the warranties.....I have transferred
them, and there is no restriction or cost I could find.

 

[montelatici]

uShip - The Online Shipping and Moving Marketplace gets you various quotes from shippers. You'd be surprised how reasonable shipping is when various shippers are competing and/or have an empty trailer/truck and are going your way.

 

[Artimus]

So, Kioti is a great product although they restrict free trade? And, Kioti will allow their list prices to be posted in trade magazines, but a dealer isn't allowed to?

Isn't this pretty much a universal policy? How many New John Deere's do you see advertised anywhere less than list price to include e-bay? When I was buying only phone calls and visits would work to get anything less than list regardless of the brand.

 

[tlbuser]

Isn't this pretty much a universal policy? How many New John Deere's do you see advertised anywhere less than list price to include e-bay? When I was buying only phone calls and visits would work to get anything less than list regardless of the brand.

Yes and no. The Kioti group seems to declare posting anywhere of any prices is a company policy no-no. I have seen John Deere, Kubota and Massey sale prices listed in the local paper.
Is it capitalism that turned buying bigger ticket items (cars, trucks, tractors) into a huge hush, hush world or just sales practices in general? I've been out truck shopping and having a difficult time getting a dealers bottom line pricing. They are still trying to get by with , "how much can you afford for a payment".

 

[IH3444]

Kubota has a build it pricing right at their site. Really handy if one is considering the cost of their machines. Options included in pricing also. Does make them more open market minded to me. I still can't understand what the great secrety is about posting prices, advertisting prices. Just seems to be poor business practice. When you go into a store to purchase something, there the price is. Autos and trucks are advertisted in the paper, and TV with pricing. What's the big deal? People want to compare prices, options, warranties, features, etc. Then there is always bargaining room with the dealer.

 

[KiotiDave]

Hi Tlbuser,
I think I remember the magazine that compared list pricing of different manufacturers. If you read the footnote it said the prices may not be accurate because they were not supplied by Kioti. They were much higher than Kioti's prices. I am not sure where they got the pricing, but there was a fine print disclaimer.
In our aggreement we can publish pricing in our area of coverage(locally), but no dealer is to publish sale prices nationally or on the internet. This is to try and keep a level playing field for all the dealers . There is no MSRP stickers on the units like cars so you can compare item for item. Some dealers include more options or services with the sale than others. Some dealers will advertise a low ball price leader to draw traffic and then add everything from loading tires to delivery to bucket hooks and so on.
There used to be destination charges as well. Some dealers paid more fo freight than others. I guess I am just saying that there is no standard to maintain accurate price comparisons. This was the way it was set up by Kioti and every dealer agrees to abide by this section of their dealer aggreement.
Hope this helps.
KiotiDave

 

[ModMech]

A litte insight into retail sales of "durable goods".

Each retailer is given (more accurately sold) an AOR (Area of Responsibility) or territory if you like.

Pricing and incentives can vary WIDLY from one area of the country to another. You can see this with automotive products easily "Residency restriction apply" etc., in print ads.

If I made widgits and sold FRANCHISES to TBN members and allowed one member, or a small group to purchase a large quantity of widgits at a reduced price it's all fair and legal because everyone enjoys the benefits of a "quantity discount".

What if a member of this small group who is YOUR competitor advertises HER widgits on FleaBay for less than what you paid for them? Then sells them to YOUR customers in your assigned territory? Who is THAT fair to? The gal that bought one from you yesterday at slightly less than retail, you, or the person who bought today for a bargin-basement price? Would you want to fix the widgit under warranty?

See, those business practices are typically not allowed in a franchise agreement and not really "fair" at all. It's also not fair trade or fair competition but market manipulation by a few for their own benefit, they don't care about the customer they will never have to see, trust me.

 

[jda1961]

that guy tried to sell it again on ebay, took it back off again,