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dalola
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I知 afraid I can稚 provide much guidance in that area, as I did not price it both ways. The truth is I decided on using the Faswall block before I even had the plans complete. Again, for the DIYer with time and some good help during the critical times of pouring the concrete, I think there is an argument to be made the blocks are a cost-effective method yielding a superior building over stick-framing. That argument goes out the window when hiring a contractor who has no experience with the product.
One thing to note when comparing Faswall (or similar) blocks to standard foam ICFs. While they are obviously similar in design and construction, there are some fundamental differences. Foam ICFs yield a conventional building envelope which places a high value on being air-tight. Faswall blocks are designed to create a wall which is vapor-permeable, acting not only as a thermal mass but also as a humidity sink, maintaining a more stable indoor relative humidity. Additionally, Faswall blocks are more efficient as a thermal mass because the insulation is all on the outboard side of the concrete core. A conventional foam ICF generally has the same thickness of insulation between the concrete core and the inside of the building as it does between the core and the outside, which significantly impairs the flywheel effect of the thermal mass.
My location is in an area with timber and high risk for wildfires. And it can get VERY WINDY. I chose the Faswall blocks (and exterior Roxul insulation, steel framing for the decks, metal siding and roof, hardwood decking with a Class A fire rating, etc.) because I wanted a structure built like the proverbial brick sh*thouse and as fireproof as I could make it. Those considerations obviously added some significant costs to our project.
Yeah, I think you are spot-on for what you wanted to do...can't argue with anything you've done. I'm just thinking to myself, if ICF's truly only add 5-10% to the upfront costs, certainly seems like an easy decision to use it. What other ICF's did you research, before settling on Faswall?
There is one product that will replace both SIP's and ICF...they are insulated studs. The only real benefit to SIP's and ICF is a thermal break. Well you can now get that in an insulated stud. Then you build in a traditional manner with the option of foam panels on the outside or spray foam on the inside. The insulated studs have break away chases to run electrical wires etc. It builds up quick at a fraction of the cost. It's such a simple concept, I surprised no one has thought of it before.
Those are interesting, but you still have many of the short comings of stick-built homes remaining (strength, pests, less thermal mass, etc...) And to say the only real benefit to SIP's & ICF's is a thermal break is very short-sighted. What is the percentage of cost increase over a std 2x6 or 2x8? Are they readily available in your area?