As Big As you can Buy

   / As Big As you can Buy #21  
SethO -

<font color="blue">I knew that a lot of people will be ticked off. </font>

Yes, and I'm glad my annoyance was received as intended - and apparently my interpretation of where you were going with your comments was “on” as well.

<font color="blue"> But tractors are not the only 'my farm is bigger than yours' that we buy. </font>

Interesting choice of words. I'll give you points for your stealth approach on this one. Interesting that you insinuate that by me answering your question specifically as to my uses (e.g. honoring your request by putting context around it), I am now bragging about the size of my place! You seem determined to make folks out to be pompous if they make ANY comment as to what "they" have - ignoring its relevance to the conversation. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif For the record, yes, my place is absolutely tiny and insignificant in comparison to a lot of other folks here on TBN (thinking of Cowboydoc here) - and I have no problem with that as I don’t measure my worth as an individual with how much tractor or land I own.

<font color="blue">For example somebody who does not know what "any key" is on a computer wants to buy the fastest Pentium on sale. </font>

A poor equivalent example - not even an "apple" & "orange" comparison. Why? I could go on for a LONG time (Moore’s law, OS support cutoffs, incompatibility w/ new software releases, etc.), but your point is really one about human nature and not the technology involved. Forgetting the problem with switching between two completely different groups of individuals in mid-stream, (i.e. non-owners w/ owners), the biggest problem I have is your desire to stereotype TBN folks and then pass judgement on them.

Essentially you are talking about the “human nature” to want the biggest, baddest, P.C. on the block simply so that they can “show off” to their neighbors (i.e. “Keeping up with the Joneses”).

While I will submit that yes, such individuals exist in the world, and even some people who buy a tractor do it for those reasons, I don’t concur with your apparent assumption that most TBN’ers fall in to this category. By it’s sheer nature, your posts “presumes guilt” - asking folks to prove they use their tractor “enough” to justify it to your standards (that whole “regular basis” thing again which you have yet to define in measurable terms - and which would be meaningless anyway because of the various reasons I pointed out in my earlier post.)

<font color="blue">And for a prospective buyer, it helps provide some insight into what to expect, as opposed to simply advising to go as big as you can afford/fit in your shed/mow your lawn kind of answer. </font>

I agree - but I feel it is unfair and inaccurate to characterize the majority of “What should I buy” threads in this way. I have read a lot (and posted in a few) of these threads over time and they RARELY are as limited as this. Usually the first or second reply to such posts requests much more additional information before advise is presented (i.e. size of lot/land, planned activities, future resale, service, etc...) A fair amount of the time the “buy bigger” comment comes from folks who point out that based on their experience, they did and are glad they did because they now can accomplish extra tasks they hadn’t thought of when first considering their purchase. The remaining folks who say "buy bigger" usually say so because they wish they had.

If your only intent was to request that folks provide meaningful examples as to why they did/should have chosen a “big” tractor, you could have done it more effectively by dropping the insulting innuendo that implies anyone with a “big tractor” is “overcompensating.”

Perhaps you should look back at a number of threads and re-evaluate your judgement. Looks to me that there is a lot of helpful information & opinions (backed up with reasoning) given by people trying to help newcomers. Funny - I don't see a lot of "Buy BIG!! Always BUY BIG!! Bigger is always BETTER!!" going on in this thread.
 
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#22  
Ranchman,

My comments were not directed at you personally.

SethO
 
   / As Big As you can Buy #23  
I agree Bill. I think we're stirring up a can of worms here that never was opened in the first place!!! If it was a case of people bragging, etc. that would be a different story. As Ranchman said we've never had any of that here so why propose that is has been?
 
   / As Big As you can Buy #24  
Offtopic....

<font color="blue"> but it *is* painful to think of all the cash I've put into computers over the years and the realization that there is *nothing* more useless than an old computer. 20MB disk anyone? </font>

Couldn't help but reply to this one. About 10 years back I was a partner in a small buisiness - we sold computer systems to dental offices. A few years earlier, one of our sales letters had a statement in it that was something along the lines of, "...and it has a 40 MB hard disk, which assures that you won't run out of space.". At the time, that was *huge*.

Unfortunately for us, our client A) ran out of space, and B) had kept the letter. We wound up donating a 100MB disk, along with the time it took to make it a Novell disk server.

I'm sure the client ran out of space again /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif. But that buisiness is long since history /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif so I don't know for sure.
 
   / As Big As you can Buy #25  
sendero,

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( 20MB disk anyone? )</font>

Sure...I'll trade you a couple of boxes of 5 1/2" floppies...I've got both 1.2MB and 360kB available. Even swap? O.K....I'll through in my 2400 bps ISA card modem to seal the deal. But that's it...or I might think you're taking advantage of me! /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

~Rick
 
   / As Big As you can Buy #27  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( ...I'll through in my 2400 bps ISA card modem to seal the deal...)</font>

Young whippersnapper. I've got a 300 baud kicking around somewhere, along with an some 81K SSSD 5-1/4 floppies. It wasn't too long ago that I finally threw away a couple of 8" floppy drives that I used to run on my TRS80 Model I with something called a "5/8 Switch" to go back and forth between 5-1/4" and 8" floppy drives. My first printer was a 9-pin dot matrix, upper case letters only, was about 2'x'2'x1' tall, weighed about 150 pounds, and cost $1,500 new. My first computer saved programs to cassette tape!

Sorry for helping to hijack the thread, but I couldn't resist.
 
   / As Big As you can Buy #28  
I've mowed five acres and tilled about 3/4 of an acre garden for the past 11 years with a riding lawnmower and a 8 h.p. tiller,plus a trimmer.Total cost about 4,500 dollars.Now I am a poor man.If you got the money the skys the limit,why ask people how big a tractor,get a 450 case dozer[type] to plow your driveway with. It will work better than ANY tractor,get two tractors, one little for yard and garden work,say a 25 h.p. 4 w.d.,and a 40 h.p. one for the heavy stuff. RICHARD GAUTHIER
 
   / As Big As you can Buy #29  
[quoterealization that there is *nothing* more useless than an old computer. 20MB disk anyone? /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif )</font>

I found a 5 1/4" floppy disk in a desk drawer we were cleaning out today. I had to explain to the young'uns what it was. I would have told them that this was all I had for storage on my first computer but I doubt they would have believed me. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
 
   / As Big As you can Buy #30  
<font color="blue"> The default and popular answer is that one should buy the BIGGEST possible of course considering price and all. </font>
The only frame of reference many first time tractor buyers have for how they will use a tractor is what they are currently using to complete a task, e.g., lawn mower, garden tractor. Therefore, those are the tasks they know they want the tractor to perform and they size the tractor accordingly. What these newbies can not anticipate are the tasks the tractor will be able to complete that would have never occurred to them. It is usually these 'new' tasks that cause many people to wish for a bigger tractor. Others, once they experience the capability of a tractor with hydraulics, three point hitch, etc. begin to see how they could use certain attachments. If they bought a tractor that's too small, e.g., it doesn't have the hydraulic flow, or lifting capability they need, they can't do the job or will do it much slower and they wish they had a bigger tractor.

To continue with your PC example...I've known people who have purchased exactly the size (processor, memory and disk space) PC they need to automate whatever tasks they have in mind. After owning a PC for a while, they decide they want to get a digital camera (something outside their initial frame of reference) and edit pictures. Now the PC they bought needs more memory to handle the picture files, more disk space to store the files and the printer they bought 'just to print spreadsheets' prints horrible pictures. So, they either end up upgrading or living with what they bought and making the best of it.

So, while the advice about tractors might be expressed as 'Buy the biggest that will fit in your garage', the experience that resulted in that advice encompasses the aforementioned experiences.

<font color="blue">I will like members to post excatly how much time they spend REGULARLY using their tractors for recurring duties such as mowing. Digging, grading and snow clearing just does not occur often enough. </font>
The only 'problem' with posting how much time we 'regularly' spend doing something is for many tasks, the only reason we can do them at all is because of the tractor. Perhaps a better question, for those that can still remember /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif, is "For the first tractor you bought, (1) List the things you wanted it to do and (2) List the things you are using it for now. Odds are, many people will be using their tractors for a lot more than the reasons they initially purchased the tractor for. Again, the PC analogy holds true.

Are there people who purchased a tractor to do certain tasks and that's all they're using it for? Yep. But it's up to the experienced people to at least 'warn' newbies to not 'navigate by their wake' when buying their first tractor.
 

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