Asphalt milling for Driveway

[bondo]

WOW, I just used my old BMC tractor with box on back to spread it out. Took bucket by bucket load with front end loader and did some basic leveling with then, then finished it off with the box. And as I said, then just drove over it many many many times. We tried to do this mid summer when temps were in the 90's and high humidity. So far it's seen two winters with plowing and still holding up really good. Even around the barns with the horses with shoes on don't dig it up when we move them between fields. I wish we did have a roller, as I think it would work better, not to mention faster!

Bondoｩ

 

[weedsportpete]

Pardon my ignorance - how much volume of millings do you get with a ton? Or maybe I should ask how much compressed volume of millings do you get with a ton?

Pete

 

[Toiyabe]

I would guess 120 lbs/ft^3, in place and well-compacted, which would be about 17 cubic feet per ton. Your vendor should be able to give you a better estimate.

 

[weedsportpete]

Thank you. So two three-inch lifts would cover 34 square feet? And 100' of 10' wide driveway would be about 30 tons? Seems pretty cheap.. Unless my math is wrong, I'd pay additional for the good compaction.

 

[joe48]

Last May 2006, I put down millings on about 10,000 sqft on my drive/parking lot at 4-6" thick. Or approx. 100 yds., stock piled last 20 for future projects.

I was fortunate to check around with paving companies in the Rochester area and found Rushton Paving in Victor was doing a big parking lot in Rochester only 3 mi. from my house. The Manager was delighted to find a spot that close to the project to haul the millings, instead of back to their yard ,35 miles one way.

I got 120 yds delivered to my place ( 6 x 20 yd loads,tri axle dumps) , dumped in strategic spots for spreading. Took 1 1/2 days to spread and pack with the CK20.

Only bad thing was there are a lot of chunks 3 to 6" , I'm still raking out , from spots in the parking lot where the old pavement was only an inch thick and just pulled up instead of getting milled into 1" or less. Still has packed down very well. I plan to york rake and relevel a couple more times then rent a vib roller to final pack. Around here (NY ) some have used diesel or old oil as a binder, however these days you don't want to get caught by the DEC doing that, it will be a very expensive driveway!!! The alternative I will use is portland cement put down with a spreader, lightly raked then watered down lightly. Gives a very nice final surface, although some use crusher run with dust for top layer and work cement into that.

OH , I forgot to mention the cost for this project , $10-12 for diesel fuel , and $zero for millings, just got to be in right place at right time i guess.

Joe48

 

[Egon]

Joe, you don't want to put diesel fuel or old oil on the asphalt anyway as it doesn't do any good things. It just dissolves/dilutes the bitumen based binder and you end up with dry aggregate.

You may be able to rent a small self propelled vibratory sheepfoot roller that would pack and break down the larger pieces of asphalt.

 

[tlbuser]

Joe, you don't want to put diesel fuel or old oil on the asphalt anyway as it doesn't do any good things.

While I agree with what you're saying here, I 've seen some guys spray millings with diesel then light to melt the tar before rolling. At least that's their theory.

 

[joe48]

Joe, you don't want to put diesel fuel or old oil on the asphalt anyway as it doesn't do any good things. It just dissolves/dilutes the bitumen based binder and you end up with dry aggregate.

You may be able to rent a small self propelled vibratory sheepfoot roller that would pack and break down the larger pieces of asphalt.

Egon

Just to clarify, I didn't say I was doing that and don't recommend it , see my quote : "Around here (NY ) some have used diesel or old oil as a binder, however these days you don't want to get caught by the DEC doing that, it will be a very expensive driveway!!! "

Joe48

 

[Renze]

A few years ago, i worked for a road construction contractor in the workshop, during the winter overhauls.
The machinists have a sprayer (a handheld sprayer like farmers use for chemicals) full of Diesel to clean the pavers after the job is done.
The rollers were sprayed with water to prevent asphalt sticking to it. They were soaked and kept continuously wet.

The rollers are static Hamm tricycles, dry weight about 8 ton but when the wheels are loaded with water, they can get as heavy as 10.3 ton.
They had one roller with steel drum at front and two loader tires at the back, for compacting crushed rock roads. Also 1 rubber tire roller, which wasnt used a lot. They did most of the jobs with a universal machine, a vibratory Hamm articulating tandem roller with 2 wide drums, of which they had 5 or 6.
They told me that the rubber rollers could compact the asphalt more equally, because the rubber also pressed the lower spots, e.g they distribute the force over the full width, not just the high spots where just some pebbles carry the load..
Anyway, the vibratory rollers could vibrate the stones to spread the gravel in the mix, which is about the same effect as the rubber tire roller.

they said this rubber tire roller would be replaced by another vibratory roller when it was time to trade it for a new one, because a vibratory roller can do what a rubber tire roller can, but the vibratory was a lot more convenient.

 

[flyinbryan]

Lots of great ideas but not one picture. The old saying that a picture is worth a thousand words still holds true. Anyone have any? Thanks

 

[Soundguy]

they said this rubber tire roller would be replaced by another vibratory roller when it was time to trade it for a new one, because a vibratory roller can do what a rubber tire roller can, but the vibratory was a lot more convenient.

you can ruin asphalt FAST with a careless operator on a vibratory roller.

around here, we dig and stabilize subgrade, use a vibe roller to get density.. then lay crushed lime rock, again.. use vibe to get density, then use a steel non vibe roller.. usually a heavy static trike, and finish roll the rock, then prime it.. then when asphalt hits, a light dual drul steel wheel hits it, and then a traffic roller which is a multi rubber tired roller.. that usually gives the finish surface it's final 'look'.. etc.

I don't know of a single contractor in our area that uses a vibe roller on the asphalt.

soundguy

 

[jonyyuma]

$60.00 a tri-axle, OMG..I wished I could buy some for that.....

 

[Iowachild]

$60.00 a tri-axle, OMG..I wished I could buy some for that.....

Several years back I got them free for the hauling. Now PA is actually using them to pave secondary roads, so they ain't free anymore.

 

[Egon]

Vibratory rollers will have a non vibratory mode. If they have a large enough water filled drum they work well for asphalt.

Rollers used for asphalt may depend on what the contractor has available.

Don't see many three drum rollers up here in Canada.

For asphalt it's usually two steel drums one acting as breakdown and the other with an experienced operator as a finish roller.

 

[jonyyuma]

They cost over $300.00 a load years ago, but were still cheaper than crushed limestone.. I haven't had a price on anything except dirt.. Out of the cut, which is just clay, was $140 a load...last year..

 

[thatguy]

$60.00 a tri-axle, OMG..I wished I could buy some for that.....

Just realize that this original post was in 2007 before being bumped today..

Brian

 

[jonyyuma]

Ha, I do now, back to posting #49...Joke was on me, but still that was cheap then too. It has always been high here, and plus, i thought they did pour diesel on it to bind it back together? I will let it go back into archives>>>. #50 just wanted to see a roller...

 

[Soundguy]

Vibratory rollers will have a non vibratory mode. If they have a large enough water filled drum they work well for asphalt.

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Rollers used for asphalt may depend on what the contractor has available.

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many of our vibratory rollers here, the bulk I'd say, have 2 rubber tires in back, tread tires, and the drum in front.

that would eat asphalt alive.

on a rare occasion you see an articulating 2 drum SMALL vibratory roller. just not very common here. I see more 50's era tractors on propane or kerosene than the small 2 drum vibes..

as you say.. what's available..e tc.

soundguy

 

[Egon]

Don't recall mentioning two drum vibratory rollers.

 

[Soundguy]

Don't recall mentioning two drum vibratory rollers.

a 2 drum vibe, with the vibe turned off is the ONLY way I'd let a roller like that on asphalt. a vibe with tread rubber in back and a drum on front, down here nayway, is a base and subgrade roller.. not a finish roller. I'd fire an employee if I saw them drive one of our vibes across virgin asphalt.. thus.. when you mentioned turning the vibe off and using a vibe on asphalt.. I assumed a 2 drum vibe.