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   / At Home In The Woods #3,191  
If I'm not mistaken when one goes up by half in diameter, from a 4" to a 6" pipe the volume increases by 5 times, not double. This is significant in calculating what you need for gutters on a large run of gutter. One thing you could do to mitigate the current overflow IF it is a result of somewhat undersized gutter troughs, is to add a downspout on the opposite end so you have two downspouts on the long run to better handle the volume of rain without having to replace the entire gutter with a larger capacity one. This might take a tweak of the existing gutter's pitch so water will flow in both directions from the middle.
The alternative is to install a larger capacity gutter, for instance something that would be on a commercial building that can handle large capacity rainfall.
I doubt your underground pipes have anything to do with this problem
 
   / At Home In The Woods #3,192  
No we hadn't. We were directed by multiple people to go to Hickory NC to the "Hickory Furniture Mall". Several furniture factories are in Hickory. Supposedly the prices at the mall are supposed to be discounted. However, my wife had the impression that the higher end furniture was significantly discounted but was not convinced that the medium to low end furniture prices were that great. We were not shopping for the high end.

Obed

The funiture mall in Hickory is a good place to find what you want, but their prices are higher. Once you find it, price it at some of the smaller shops up 321. I usually buy at Quality Furniture in Lenoir. Haven't bought any for a few years, I hope it's still there.
 
   / At Home In The Woods #3,193  
If I'm not mistaken when one goes up by half in diameter, from a 4" to a 6" pipe the volume increases by 5 times, not double.

Sorry, but I think you are mistaken...

To a first approximation the pipes flow capacity is proportional to the cross sectional area of the pipe. The cross sectional area of a 6 inch pipe is 2.25 times as big as for a 4 inch pipe.

As regards needing larger capacity gutters, we are in agreement.

Pat
 
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#3,195  
Gutter Investigation
Thanks for the comments. We bought the oversized gutters and downspouts for our house. When we decided to do the oversized gutters, I chose them so the numerous trees would take longer to clog the bigger gutters with debris than it would to clog up smaller gutters. I wasn't really considering the water volume capacity but am now really glad we chose the bigger gutters. If I had it to do over again, I would put a downspout at each end of the problem gutter instead having just one downspout. We still have the option to do so. I'm just not thrilled about having to install another underground drain pipe.

Hey....easy troubleshooting idea. Remove the cap on your cleanout during the next big rain. If the water starts to flow out of the cleanout that would indicate a problem downstream past the cleanout.

I did as 955Lincoln suggested and removed the cleanout cap. While I was not home, we got another heavy rain that overflowed the gutter. Unfortunately, my wife could not tell for certain if water was coming out of the cleanout while looking from the basement porch. She was unwilling to slosh through the mud in the downpour to check out the cleanout up close. She doesn't think water was coming out of the cleanout but is not certain.

Yesterday after work I decided to inspect our gutter system at the part of the house where rainwater overflowed the gutter. I have two snakes. The first snake is a 100 ft (I think) flat snake. It works well for long distances but is not greate at handling complex turns in pipes. The second snake is 25' long, is made like a spring coil and handles turns in any direction well.

I decided to start by snaking the underground pipe. Basically, I wanted to avoid climbing up a ladder to the gutter if the underground pipe obviously showed a problem. My long flat snake had no problems going through the pipe. Once the end of the snake protruded out of the daylight end of the pipe, I tied a branch the snake and pulled the branch back through the pipe with the snake. The branch had no difficulty running through the pipe and did not appear to have seen much wear and tear from the process. I concluded that the underground pipe was fine.

Since the underground pipe didn't appear to be the problem, I now had the unpleasant task of climbing up an extension ladder to check out the gutter. I put the ladder beside the downspout and climbed to the top. When I reached my hand into the gutter, (my ladder is too short so I couldn't see inside the gutter), I found a chunk of debris covering the downspout. Bingo! Upon recollection, I remembered that I had not been able to entirely clean the 2 foot section of gutter between the end of the gutter and downspout because I couldn't reach that section while standing on my short ladder. Apparently some debris on that end of the gutter had clogged the entry to the downspout.

I unclogged the downspout. Then I ran my spring coil 25' snake down the downspout just to make sure the downspout was clear. I didn't notice any observable blockages in the downspout. Next I moved my ladder a couple times and spot checked the gutter to for debris and didn't find appreciable debris in the gutter.

I also used a level to check the level of the gutter. The gutter is basically level without much slope at all. Unfortunately, the section of gutter above the ladder shown in the picture slopes the wrong direction. The end effect is when the water overflows the gutter, the most significant overflow occurs where the gutter butts up against house. I'm concerned that the splashing water might be getting the framing for the eave wet.

I think the primary problem we had was the clogged downspout. This evening we had a fairly heavy rain that did not overflow the gutter. This rain was not as heavy as what we had seen before though so the result does not guarantee the problem is solved. Regardless, we need to get the slope of the gutter fixed so that the downspout end of the gutter is lower than the opposite end.
 

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   / At Home In The Woods #3,196  
Hopefully that is all it was.

However, if you plan to live there, you are going to need a ladder that will reach the important sections of the house. You might want to watch the sales or CL until you find a good deal, but figure out what you need os it will reach at least 2-3' above the edge of the roof, in the areas where you need to use it.

Nothing worse than stretching from an inadequate ladder.
 
   / At Home In The Woods #3,197  
When having the existing slope of the gutter corrected, I'd have a gutter cover installed that is guaranteed to keep out debris and is able to keep it from clogging as well. Many companies manufacture these type items and the ones that are attached to the gutter by screws or clips work best. I'm NOT talking about mesh or wire but an actual cover that allows water and nothing else into the trough. The pitch issue should be a free fix by your existing gutter people. Then add a second downspout if and when deemed necessary by what nature delivers and what the gutter handles, or not.
 
   / At Home In The Woods #3,198  
It appears to be way too early to be having gutter issues right now. Looks like you may have to bite bullet and install the smart screens.
 
   / At Home In The Woods #3,199  
I'm just not thrilled about having to install another underground drain pipe.

Ahhh, come on, you're a big bad trenching machine....you are ~~Obed the Trencher~~ :thumbsup:

I'm in the middle of trenching 1800' for power and this fuzzy overbaked mind keeps thinking about how much joy my project would give you. :drool:
 
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#3,200  
The funiture mall in Hickory is a good place to find what you want, but their prices are higher. Once you find it, price it at some of the smaller shops up 321. I usually buy at Quality Furniture in Lenoir. Haven't bought any for a few years, I hope it's still there.
My wife has done some furniture shopping locally around the Knoxville area. At the low to lower-midrange end, she has found local prices to be fairly comparable to the Hickory NC Furniture Mall prices. That's the price range we are considering.

This Saturday morning I am dropping off our tractor at the shop to get general maintenance done. Then my wife and I are going furniture shopping locally to find a couch and matching chair. We didn't have much luck finding used upholstered furniture on Craig's list. However, I don't think we tried very hard. Hopefully we can find end tables and a coffee table on CL. Getting the end tables and coffee table are not as urgent as getting something to sit on. Right now, we are a little hesitant to invite guests over to the house because we only have comfortable seating for 2 people (love seat).
 

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