Backhoe Backhoe Price

jedens · Jun 6, 2001

What should I expect to pay for a backhoe for a L3710. Is there a big difference between different manufacturers?

Anonymous Poster · Jun 6, 2001

There was an earlier post about a new kelley hoe for $3600 check back a couple of days.

AndyR · Jun 6, 2001

I have a Woods 9000 with PTO pump on my L3710HSt that I bought slightly used in March for about $5865. This includes the sub frame, installation and delivery. You lose the use of the mid-point PTO but that didn't matter to me as I don't use it. Very pleased with the unit. I had looked at the posts both here and on the jplan board before buying. Also had spent a little time using a Woods 7500 on an L3600 - which shifted my focus to the bigger unit with almost twice the power and a bit more reach. Good luck!

Andy in NH

JayinNH · Jun 6, 2001

AndyR,
I was looking at the specs for my 3010 HST. Kubota says the 7500 or the 9000 will fit on the 3010. Is there a greater demand for power in the 9000 versus the 7500? I want to purchase a backhoe in the next year or two and have just really started to investigate the possibilities. Any info would be greatly appreciated
Jason

AndyR · Jun 6, 2001

Check the Woods website. I think the flow requirements for the 9000 are a bit higher. I was debating on the pump vs. internal and ended up with the pump due to the used equip. deal (big savings). In afterthought, I think I would pay the extra for the pump because you keep the systems isolated AND you get a bit more power. I have been running the tractor at about 1200 RPM as I am still shy of the 50 hour mark, and find the hoe behavior is fine with me. Also, I ended up with a 16" bucket (originally looking at an 18) but that is fine due to the number of rocks I have to deal with (our best crop /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif).

Andy in NH

jedens · Jun 8, 2001

Hi Andy,
I appreciate your response. I'm pretty new to all of this. What is the major difference between the sub frame and 3PH attach? If I'm going to be digging stumps in rocky soil with rocks that are up to 15" diameter which would be best?

AndyR · Jun 8, 2001

A subframe transfers the load (and stress) to two points on the tractor - a receiver that attaches where your 3 point hitch arms are and a front receiver that replaces a heavy u shaped connector plate right about the middle of the tractor. The backhoe looks like an old cannon when it is unmounted. The subframe is analagous to a gun carriage - in this case an A frame of steel, and slides (carefully) into the receivers where a cross bar on the hoe frame is captured by the rear receiver and the front receiver has a long pin that locks it in.

Why go to the weight and expense (not to mention diminished ground clearance) of a sub-frame? Simple, both you and your tractor will end up living much longer. The sub-frame transfers the loads to the entire tractor frame - and you are talking about somthing powerfull enough to lift up and move your tractor. Search back through the archives and especially check the safety section. Backhoes, like aircraft, are terribly unforgiving of mistakes. Just imagine if the top link (or an arm connection) failed while you were sitting on a 3ph backhoe (hint - think squashed like a bug). Not only that, think of the stress on the tractor. When I have my stabilizers down and the bucket down I am in essence forming a 3 point contact with the ground. Stress is transferred to directly under the rear wheel and secondarily directly under the FEL mounting frame - so things are far less likely to break.

Lastly, start slow and build your technique. I started out on snow and ice piles (had a bit o' that this year) and worked on getting smooth action. The smoother you are the longer your equipment will last. Also, I think Harv had cited a book on backhoe technique (something I need to track down one of these days) - search and find that too. When I was looking, I sent an email to the Woods company (link on thier site) and got quick responses - which also specifically recommended sub-frame only for my tractor.

Good Luck!

Andy in NH

jedens · Jun 8, 2001

Andy,
Thanks for the detailed explanation. It sounds like sub frame is the way to go.

Harv · Jun 9, 2001

I think Harv had cited a book on backhoe technique

T'weren't me, Andy! /w3tcompact/icons/crazy.gif

If you want a hefty book, I could write one about everything I don't know about backhoes. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

You're talking about that grabby-looking thing that sticks out the back of some rich folks' tractors, aren't you? /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

AndyR · Jun 9, 2001

Rutroh! /w3tcompact/icons/blush.gif Now I'll have to go find who it was/w3tcompact/icons/tongue.gif (and on which board). Haven't had coffee yet.... must have java..then spend more time on the backhoe. Yeah, that's it. Nothing like tractor time to get the mind clear/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif. Gotta finish up a combination drain and electrical runs for new lighting.

Andy in NH

john_bud · Jun 9, 2001

I think Harv had cited a book on backhoe technique 

It might have been me. Harv and I get confused all the time. After all, he lives in California and I live in Wisconsin. He is good looking and and and oh yeah, I have a bigger tractor! /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

Here is a link to a book on TLB operations that I found;
http://www.equiptrain.com/tlbbook.htm

I haven't ordered the book, so I don't know how good it is! You're on your own /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

John Bud

Harv · Jun 10, 2001

Harv and I get confused all the time.

I knew I was confused all the time, John, but thanks for letting me know I'm not alone. /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

AndyR · Jun 11, 2001

Sorry about that! 'shoulda done a little research before attributing Harv instead of you. Attached is a picture of the latest project - along with a Lyndeborough nugget about 3 feet by 4 that the 'hoe pulled up easily, but the bucket couldn't lift!

Andy in NH

hayden · Jun 11, 2001

Wow, looks just like the nuggets we have across the brook here in Mont Vernon.

hayden · Jun 11, 2001

Is that a Woods 9000? Nice BH. The 9000 is a nice step up from the Kubota 4690 and Woods 7000. That's one of the benefits of the L's

tractorman · Jun 11, 2001

I have installed both Woods 7500's & 9000's on L3710 Kubota's. The 7500 does look a bit small on the machine and the Woods Subframe does overhang the rear of the tractor quite awkwardly. You also lose alot of ground clearance because of the subframe making it very difficult for those who have to unload their tractors off of trailers in customers driveways. Three point hitch mounted backhoes are hard to attach to newer Kubota's which use the telescopic type stabilizer brackets. It is impossible to eliminate all side to side play leaving a sloppy connection to the tractor. One way to correct tis is to replace one side with the older style turnbuckle type stabilizer chain. I have been happiest with Bradco's frame mounted backhoes. Their units fit snugly to the rear of the tractor's as they should. Proportionaly, the 8' Model 408 & the 9' Models 509 & 609 look very well on the tractors. They do cost more than the Woods hoes but when you compare the quality it is understandable. Hope this helps and good luck......

krager · Jun 16, 2001

I took delivery of a L3710 HST with a LA681 FEL, an Amerequip 7600 backhoe with a 16" bucket, dual remote hydraulics, Kubota belly mower, and 12" post hole digger yesterday. Price on the invoice for the Amerequip 7600 was $3,827.00. That included installing it on the tractor. Haven't used it yet, but it is a 3 PT hookup and uses the tractor hydraulics. Looks to have a maximum of 8' digging depth. I would be interested on any comments about the Amerequip Backhoe. Specs are on their homepage for about four of their different size backhoes. The 7600 comes in between the two Kubota backhoes for the L3710. (I had just never heard of them before) It happened to be a package deal ordered by someone who backed out on the deal several months back so they probably gave me a pretty good deal.

Anonymous Poster · Jun 16, 2001

The Amerequip backhoe specs for their 6600 and 7600 are identical to the specs for the Bush Hog 662H and 762H. They must be the same backhoes with different names on them.

Andy