backhoe question

[dfkrug]

Does this mean that the outriggers are lifting all four
wheels off the ground so the tractor is suspended by the the two outriggers and
the bucket?

My outriggers can do that, but I don't operate the backhoe that way. What I do is
pull both outrigger levers at once until the weight is removed from the rear tires,
but not off the ground. Pulling both levers at once equalizes the lifting force on
each side. When on uneven ground, I sometimes have one rear wheel off the
ground.

I have been able to lift the tractor's weight off the front wheels, too, if the FEL
bkt is down, but it has been unintentional. I sometimes forget that the FEL
bkt is down when switching seats.

Note that my outriggers are positioned quite close to the rear tires, perhaps
6-12 inches closer than the 2475/85 subframe allows. That puts my outrigger
forces closer to the center of gravity.

 

[diaedy]

Dealer says not a problem with the 2485 0ver the 2475 as it was his idea and of course another 700.00. That was what he had in stock without a 3 week wait so I went for it. He says not to pick back wheels off ground just use to level and a bit down pressure. He forgot to give me manual also so I had nothing to read about it. It does have a 24 in bucket which he will change to 18 in when it comes in. (3 weeks) I love the tractor and hoe , just thought it was unusual. Thanks everyone for the imput as when it's new ya just have to become informed about all ya can. Thanks aging.
diaedy

 

[LD1]

You still haven really answered any of the questions in this thread from those of us that are trying to help you.

1. Will it lift at least one side in the air to be able to level if on uneven ground??
2. Is the FEL bucket on the ground when you are trying with the outriggers?
3. Have you placed a block of wood or cement block under the pads and see if it will lift?
4. Will the boom itself lift the tractor in the air?
5. And if 4 is yes, can you extend the outriggers farther down or are they truly out of travel?

I am sure I missed something here. While as your dealer said, it isnt normal practice to lift the back tires with the outriggers, but the machine MUST still be able to do so. If it cant, it is unsafe to operate unless you live in kansas or something.

 

[Martian]

You still haven really answered any of the questions in this thread from those of us that are trying to help you.

1. Will it lift at least one side in the air to be able to level if on uneven ground??
2. Is the FEL bucket on the ground when you are trying with the outriggers?
3. Have you placed a block of wood or cement block under the pads and see if it will lift?
4. Will the boom itself lift the tractor in the air?
5. And if 4 is yes, can you extend the outriggers farther down or are they truly out of travel?

I am sure I missed something here. While as your dealer said, it isnt normal practice to lift the back tires with the outriggers, but the machine MUST still be able to do so. If it cant, it is unsafe to operate unless you live in kansas or something.

I just read through the thread, and pretty much what LD1 just said. When I'm on flat ground digging a trench, the outriggers just stabilize the tractor. There are times when I have to use them to lift the entire tractor up to stabilize it though. While it's common practice to not lift the tires off the ground, it must do it. If you could answer the questions above, we will be able to sort out the problem.

 

[diaedy]

#1 it will lift 1 tire off ground about 1 inch with the help of lowering the boom
#2 no del bucket not on ground
#3 tried in my shop on wood floor
#4 boom will not lift tractor in air
#5 will check out in next couple day as I just cut 4 in angle iron plates to put on pads to help with machine shifting a little while working hoe , but have not got them installed yet. Sorry for not answering as I am not the brightest bulb in the pack
diaedy

 

[diaedy]

dealer told me to add plates so am thinking that will help with the outrigger travel part and definitely help stabilize while digging. I am new at this so to speak so get confused easily. Since dealer told me NOT to try an raise tractor I have been leary but don't know whose butt he is covering.
diaedy. Can't imagine being out of travel but sure is close.

 

[LD1]

With your answers to #1 and #4, it sounds like you have a hydraulic problem and NOT that your outriggers are too short. The BH should have enough force to lift the tractor with the boom and/or the outriggers.

By your answer to # 1, that the outrigger WILL lift the tractor a bit if aided by the boom, tells me you have something plumbed wrong and/or a pressure problem.

 

[Martian]

With your answers to #1 and #4, it sounds like you have a hydraulic problem and NOT that your outriggers are too short. The BH should have enough force to lift the tractor with the boom and/or the outriggers.

By your answer to # 1, that the outrigger WILL lift the tractor a bit if aided by the boom, tells me you have something plumbed wrong and/or a pressure problem.

Yep, something's not right with the way its plumbed. Whether it's not enough flow, or pressure, I couldn't tell you from here. There's no kinks in the hose from the tractor to the backhoe is there? The backhoe itself should definitely be able to lift the tractor off the ground. Would severely limit you as to what you could do and where you could go with the tractor.

 

[diaedy]

I use boom I can lift about an 1nch an then put outrigger down and it wil hold. Is this answering what ya want to know?????

 

[diaedy]

OH. If I try to lift both tires,NO, it will not take them off ground. Just 1 about an inch
Thanks

 

[murphy1244]

According to Kioti that BH the 2485 should not be on that machine. take it back.

 

[diaedy]

what will happen??????????????? he said only 31-35 lbs heaver. Getting worried now

 

[LD1]

I use boom I can lift about an 1nch an then put outrigger down and it wil hold. Is this answering what ya want to know?????

OH. If I try to lift both tires,NO, it will not take them off ground. Just 1 about an inch
Thanks

Yes, this is what we wanted to know. In your first post (IIRC) you said you thought the outriggers were too short / not long enough.

What this tells us is that is not the case. But you have a hydraulic issue somewhere. Because they simply arent getting enough power to raise the machine, but are pleanty long enough.

And I agree with murphy1244, take it back. If kioti dont spec it for the machine, regardless of what some dealer "thinks", there has to be a reason. Kioti just doesnt take the time to complete design and build a different BH if they already had a model that would work. Now I dont know if having the wrong backhoe is causing your hydraulic issue, or if you have something else going on. Either way, I would be taking the WHOLE set-up back to the dealer (who dont sound too bright BTW). Make HIM fix it right.

 

[Martian]

Obviously it's not going to do everything shown in this video, but you should be able to lift the rear with the stabilizers as shown, and lift the rear with the backhoe, as shown. The car driving under it is just a bonus

 

[murphy1244]

Obviously it's not going to do everything shown in this video, but you should be able to lift the rear with the stabilizers as shown, and lift the rear with the backhoe, as shown. The car driving under it is just a bonus

Now thats power!! Can your machine do that??

 

[ricklman]

Got a new ck35 with a kb2485 hoe an frame. This is 1 size bigger than normal but dealer said would work fine as it weighs only 35 ils. more than 2475. My question is when putting down outriggers they do not lift rear tires off ground. Is this normal or are cylinder too short???
Thanks

Tested this last night with my CK30/2475 hoe just to be sure...
Boom up and Front Bucket(FEL) up off the ground, I can lift my rear tires off the ground ~3 inches each with the outriggers.
Boom up and FEL down on the ground, outriggers would NOT lift back tires off ground.

Boom down will lift the rear tires off the ground with the FEL up(recommended) or down on the ground(not recommended).

Just some level setting info.

 

[rjwerth]

ooooo....now that's a real backhoe....

 

[rjwerth]

Tested this last night with my CK30/2475 hoe just to be sure...
Boom up and Front Bucket(FEL) up off the ground, I can lift my rear tires off the ground ~3 inches each with the outriggers.
Boom up and FEL down on the ground, outriggers would NOT lift back tires off ground.

Boom down will lift the rear tires off the ground with the FEL up(recommended) or down on the ground(not recommended).

Just some level setting info.

That sounds fairly normal to me. I don't think you are far off...if at all, if it can do that.

 

[Martian]

Now thats power!! Can your machine do that??

I wish! It's really cool though. I can lift all 4 tires off the ground with the fel/stabilizers, and stared lifting it like done in the video, but you start going up and I got a foot off the ground and thought it's probably not the best thing to do for my tractor and it would really suck if I got it all the way up and it tipped over... So I stopped.

 

[LD1]

I wish! It's really cool though. I can lift all 4 tires off the ground with the fel/stabilizers, and stared lifting it like done in the video, but you start going up and I got a foot off the ground and thought it's probably not the best thing to do for my tractor and it would really suck if I got it all the way up and it tipped over... So I stopped.

Yea, quite dangerous. Espeically with and older and sloppier machine.

Mine can do that, I have done it to an extent to get out of tricky situations. Balancing on JUST the bucket isnt really stable. And one wrong twitch of the swing lever and over she'll probabaly go:confused3: